TH Procing

[Arcon]

This. You contradicted yourself in the same point, in two back-to-back sentences. I'm more inclined to believe that TH does increase the proc rate because of how the post is structured though.

It's as the community already believed. The TH upgrade chance depends on the difference between your current TH level and the TH level that's on the mob. The lesser the gap, the higher the chance.

The reason for doing it to Thief's Knife and nothing else is because no other job has had a weapon that is so important for a job that they would actually consider gimping their damage just to use it, even for only one hit.

Neither does THF. Thief's Knife is borderline useless. It's like requesting to upgrade Inferno Axe, because no other Great Axe had additional fire damage, and if you want that you lose damage from not using an Ukonvasara. The problem is with thieves and the community who view TH7 vs. TH6 as something holy, when it's absolutely not. TH+1 is not essential to a TH6 THF, no matter which way you spin it, it's not even borderline important. Yet even the people who know how useless it is are worried about it, mostly due to historical reasons and frustration rather than proper reasoning. There is absolutely no problem to be solved here.

[Mirage]

I actually think that over time, the extra hits from an offhand weapon with TA or QA would lead to enough extra TH upgrades for it to surpass the effect of the thief's knife, but I have no way to actually test this.

Just too bad I probably can't convince other players of this.

[Arcon]

I actually think that over time, the extra hits from an offhand weapon with TA or QA would lead to enough extra TH upgrades for it to surpass the effect of the thief's knife, but I have no way to actually test this.

I'm pretty sure the TH upgrade chance is determined by round, not by swing.

[Mirage]

Ok. Well, there's still the case of higher kill speed.

[hiko]

imo it's not worth bothering, do people really care to have +5% TH proc rate on melee swing ? just equip TH gear (minus dagger) for 1st hit and SA-TA (higher TH+ proc)


And gimping your dmg is the good way to increase your TH lvl: if you hit it for low dmg you need to hit it more, and then you have more chance to proc TH and get a higher TH level!


now that you confirmed that TH proc rate was "static" for (curent TH lvl - TH equiped) could we get some values, by how much sneak, trick attack increase it, does sneak/trick bonus stack and how TH affect drop rate?

[Kincard]

Frankly, even TH gear itself isn't all that useful given what the playerbase knows what happens to TH at TH lv3+. Meleeing in TH gear is dumb regardless of how much you want the drop, because even if you get an extra 5 levels of TH that's like a 1% increase in drop rate from everything we know.

And before you use the argument "that's still 1% more than it was before", just think about how much that actually is- you would need to fight the same monster 100 times before you'd average an extra drop from it. A 1% increase in say, HQ rates in crafting might be a big deal, but a 1% increase on a drop? Who cares, are you seriously going to fight that same NM that many times, and if you do, do you really need that extra drop by the time you've fought it 100 times?

TH gear is thrown on as a "might as well" kind of thing. Half the time it's not worth throwing on your Thief's Knife and all of the time its definately not worth wasting your time purposefully trying to upgrade TH by meleeing in the thing.

[tyrantsyn]

Thank you Camate. This was very informative.

Yea most gear with TH on it isn't the most ideal stuff for melee. But it doesn't say you lose your TH if you swap out. It only said it decreases the proc value. Which on some mob's will not be a big deal.

[Kincard]

it doesn't say you lose your TH if you swap ou

We didn't need them to tell us to know this, since people ugpraded from TH7 using no TH gear before several times anyway.

What would be a lot more useful is if they told us what exactly each level of TH after TH3 actually does, because from what everyone has seen the difference it makes isn't even worth mentioning.

[Babekeke]

The only thing that I've found so far that you gain from getting higher TH rather than higher kill speed, are the NQ and HQ ground kings. Due to the fact that they're level 75 content, they die so fast that you don't need to have extra stats like str, att etc on them.

My personal gear set of choice on them (until TH12 procs) is main THF knife, no off-hand unless a shield (tatami), gear for 26% haste and TH7, no double/triple/quad attack gear since TH only procs on first swing of an attack round (also hence why no off-hand).

I never ws until TH12 procs at which point full DD it (no TH gear anymore). Though Aspid is the only one of the 6 mobs that is likely to have much HP left after TH12 has finally procced.

Most other stuff, it's better to just farm more pops for greater chance of drops, than to draw out the fight trying to proc TH.

[tyrantsyn]

We didn't need them to tell us to know this, since people ugpraded from TH7 using no TH gear before several times anyway.

What would be a lot more useful is if they told us what exactly each level of TH after TH3 actually does, because from what everyone has seen the difference it makes isn't even worth mentioning.

It's the impression I got after reading threw the thread....

The other impression was that if we need to full time TH gear to get the better drops, why the hell is it that the Gear that has TH on it so lack luster on the melee stats. But that is a whole bag of worms I just don't even want to get into.