TH Procing

[Alhanelem]

He keeps trying to explain to you that it would be extremely time-consuming, nearly impossible,

We're not talking about rate of decay here. We're talking about whether or not crit rate affects TH procs. Read Gwydion's original post:

1.) Does critical hit rate probably an increased opportunity for TH procs, when compared to normal auto-attacks?
2.) For each TH proc that occurs, will increasing the amount of TH in gear by 1 improve the chance of the next TH-proc to occur?
3.) Expanding on question #2: If I increase my TH in gear by 1 for every TH proc, I am maintaining the "gap" you describe above, so let's say: If I wear TH+5 and proc TH9, then I increase my gear to TH6: Can you tell us what improvement to the probability of TH10 proc occurs here? If the answer is none, we can stay in TH5 gear throughout the fight. If the answer is a very small probability increase, such as from 1% to 1.1% chance of that TH10 proc occurring, I think we deserve to know so we can play and swap gear accordingly.

Where is decay mentioned here?
Also, you say it would be time consuming to test. Any good sample size would be (though it would go faster if people worked together). But you know, sooner you start, sooner you finish. If it's really that important to you, you'd do what it takes to find out, I would think.

Until you understand this, you are wasting everyone's time with your incessantly empty replies.

Sir, it is you who doesn't understand, and I am as entitled to partcipate in this discussion as you are and will not be suppressed. Do us all a favor too: Please don't represent anyone other than yourself. I'm speaking to Gwydion, and if he wants to he can respond, but you can not act on his behalf.

What I admittedly *don't* understand is why this is even being debated in the first place. How does this information help anyone? Let's just pretend crits are confirmed to affect TH procs, even though Camate basically already said nothing other than TH affected TH procs. What does this do for you? I don't see how this is even worth optimizing. When is it going to make a difference? I just don't see how this would have a meaningful impact, even if its true.

[Alhanelem]

Ultimately the implication is strong that TH+ is the only influencing factor. Unless evidence to the contrary is presented, I see no reason to believe any other combat statistics play a direct role in TH application.

[Dihlyte]

You cannot raise the proc rate, but using a TH value lower than the enemies, will lower your chances to proc.

Using only TH+8 to try procing to 10 is inefficient.

Using TH+22 is no better than using TH+14, as 14 is the highest value you can proc.

This is the community now telling you TH+8 is not the most effective means by which attempting to proc to TH+14.

This information is also on BGwiki, and has been:

Example 2: If you plant TH6 on the monster by pulling with your TH gear on and then swap to TH3 to kill the monster, there is a 3-level gap between your current TH level and the monster's current TH level. This makes it comparatively more difficult to proc (approximately a 2% chance per melee round).

https://www.bg-wiki.com/ffxi/Treasure_Hunter

As well as FFXIcylopedia:

The chance to increase your TH bonus greatly diminishes with each level of difference between the target's current Treasure Hunter effect and your current Treasure Hunter bonus. For example, if you apply TH8 on a monster, and then drop your TH bonus to 3 by switching equipment, further increments will be that much rarer.

https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter

[Catmato]

Please read.

Why start off by being condescending? I'm legit trying to learn.

I've understood the concept from the start; it's not that complicated. I'm not disagreeing or confused with any part of how the upgrade system works, just the cap on TH gear.

Devs have said that TH+ from gear and traits caps at 8. You are saying otherwise. Everything you're basing your replies on assumes that the TH8 cap only applies to the starting point but is bypassed for upgrade procs.

From your own link at https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter

Treasure Hunter+ from equipment stacks with your Job Trait bonus, Atma of Dread, and Treasure Hound, and caps at 8 for Thief as a main job.

Also at bg https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter

With THF as a main job, the effect of equipment, atma, and job ability bonuses on Treasure Hunter is limited to a base of Treasure Hunter +8

Neither source makes any reference to procs bypassing this cap. Neither of them use example numbers for using anything beyond +8. From the start, I've been asking you where this cap bypass information came from.

[Dihlyte]

Why start off by being condescending? I'm legit trying to learn.

I've understood the concept from the start; it's not that complicated. I'm not disagreeing or confused with any part of how the upgrade system works, just the cap on TH gear.

Devs have said that TH+ from gear and traits caps at 8. You are saying otherwise. Everything you're basing your replies on assumes that the TH8 cap only applies to the starting point but is bypassed for upgrade procs.

From your own link at https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter

Also at bg https://ffxiclopedia.fandom.com/wiki/Treasure_Hunter


Neither source makes any reference to procs bypassing this cap. Neither of them use example numbers for using anything beyond +8. From the start, I've been asking you where this cap bypass information came from.

I'm sorry that was not my intention.

I felt you were not reading what was being said.

I believe personally that the developer cleared up any questions anyone could have.

For me, I will utilize a TH14 THF.

If you will utilize a TH8 THF perhaps that is more beneficial to you.

The important thing is to have fun!

[Alhanelem]

I'm sorry that was not my intention.

I felt you were not reading what was being said.

I believe personally that the developer cleared up any questions anyone could have.

For me, I will utilize a TH14 THF.

If you will utilize a TH8 THF perhaps that is more beneficial to you.

The important thing is to have fun!

Their statement is you cannot obtain TH14 in gear. They aren't disputing that more TH is better than less, that's a given. Thus, once you reach TH8, you're always being penalized by a difference between your TH and that of the mob. And this would seem to be the reason people want to figure out how to optimize.

However, SE themselves said that only TH affects the TH activation rate. So unless SE is being secretly cryptic (like what is being assumed in some cases) there's nothing we can do to affect the proc rate positively once we get to 8. I do not think there is anything THFs can or need to do in order to optimize their game for their key purpose beyond obtaining the maximum TH from gear)

[Dihlyte]

Finally, adding the last bit of useful information:

In some instances, it is likely "better" to keep an enemy alive for longer, in an attempt to proc to TH+14.

It also is clear, in some cases it is "better" to use only minimal TH+ equipment to maximize damage to eliminate enemies faster.

The player must decide in these instances.

[Alhanelem]

Far as I'm aware the cap is 8, the examples depict how TH is impacted. so once you pass level 8, the gap increases between the TH on the mob and your TH level which makes it harder to proc.

But this discussion has mainly been about if there are any other factors involved (which no one has provided any evidence for, just a supposition that SE does things secretly/in weird ways therefore there must be secret variables even though SE said otherwise, and asking SE to answer questions even though they already answered them)

[Catmato]

But this discussion has mainly been about if there are any other factors involved

Yeah, I didn't even touch that part of the discussion because I've never heard of crits or anything else changing the proc rate. Obviously in a very long parse, crits are going to have a slightly increased rate since SA and TA both force crits and have an increased proc chance.

I checked out FFXIAH forums where there's a current discussion with people smarter than me who have suggested that more than TH8 probably doesn't help.