Final Fantasy XI PS3 Version

[Onimeonokyo]

I know this isn't a new concept, but i figure we should keep complaining about it. I would really like to see XI released on the PS3. Release it at a higher resolution and with trophy support. If you wanted to be really crafty you could call it Final Fantasy Xi HD, as it would be set at a higher res than the ps2 version. As much as I would prefer a disc release, even a PSN release would be nice and it would save Square on distribution costs. Never doubt the obsessive nature of trophy hunters, you will add some long term customers.

[Demon6324236]

Doubt it will happen sadly. No matter what they add, the game is going to die in the next year or 2 I think. 14 will take some players, bad content will make others leave, and the devs turning down nearly every idea brought by the player base, will insult even more to the point of leaving. Besides that, adding new players seems unlikely as many threads popping up keep saying, this game & its community aren't very noob friendly.

[Shikaidaio]

Doubt it will happen sadly. No matter what they add, the game is going to die in the next year or 2 I think. 14 will take some players, bad content will make others leave, and the devs turning down nearly every idea brought by the player base, will insult even more to the point of leaving. Besides that, adding new players seems unlikely as many threads popping up keep saying, this game & its community aren't very noob friendly.

XI has been "going to die next year" for a decade now. Its been said when the game was released, when Zilart was released, when CoP was release, etc. It doesn't make any sense to hold of on any ideas just because of the possibility that the servers may shutdown in the future. Rather it would make more sense to try to get more players on board. Which will likely already happen due to the release of Adoulin early next year. I would very much be interested in a PS3 port.

[Sp1cyryan]

Doubt it will happen sadly. No matter what they add, the game is going to die in the next year or 2 I think.

THE RAPTURE IS COMING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

We have been hearing this <blank> for years. Enough already with the prophecies.
Someone might actually take them seriously, look at the people who prepared for the Mayan 2012 garbage.

bad content will make others leave,

The Devs are not putting out bad content.

the devs turning down nearly every idea brought by the player base, will insult even more to the point of leaving.

A lot of the good ideas take a lot of time reworking the spaghetti code that is FFXI. They have to pick and choose what merits an immense time sink and what does not as well as factoring in their own plans.

As for the rest of the ideas from the player base. Have you ever put yourself in their position? They are not Santa Clause Ltd. and they have wishes being thrown at them everyday. On top of that you have the ideas that are subjective that the community splits down the line about and argue over.

But, yes there are just some things they will not listen to. That is not to say it is a good thing or bad thing though.

Besides that, adding new players seems unlikely as many threads popping up keep saying, this game & its community aren't very noob friendly.

We live in a world where people do not even want to turn their lights on anymore. What do you expect?

This game is not hard to learn and play. Personally I find the community to be kind and giving to those who actually put in the effort. If you are someone who just wants to shout a question in PJ you can easily look up (the most frequent scenario) then no the community will not treat you nicely. If you shout for help for hours with something you can easily do by yourself then once again the community will not be that nice to you.

We have a lot of what I have started dubbing Wall-E players out there. Riding in their chairs, being served, not having to do a thing, and expecting things to be done for them.

They do not:
*Put in research into this elaborate game.
*Put any effort into becoming a team player (or even any real effort into their own characters development in all honesty).
*Get upset when they want more out of the game than they can from their lack of time to play.
*Get upset when others do not want to play with them because (in addition to bullet one and two) they have developed their own opinions bereft of any actual data. Then get an attitude on top of that.
*Go complain that because of failing to do bullet one and two that things should change to conform to their world.
*When people give them <blank> about it because of their ranting and raving they get even more attitude about the community (you know as I write this a player who starts with an 'R' and rhymes with Sh-moe-Sh-mina comes to night) and eventually place the blame on the community.
*Decide they are sick of not having things the way they want, place some blame, complain, and quit.

Wall-E players ladies and gentlemen, Wall-E players.


Oh, and even though they said they would not release a PS3 version I think it be nice to see.

Then we could start treating Xbox like the PS2 >: D

There, I stayed on topic.

[Teraniku]

They do not:
*Put in research into this elaborate game.
*Put any effort into becoming a team player (or even any real effort into their own characters development in all honesty).
*Get upset when they want more out of the game than they can from their lack of time to play.
*Get upset when others do not want to play with them because (in addition to bullet one and two) they have developed their own opinions bereft of any actual data. Then get an attitude on top of that.
*Go complain that because of failing to do bullet one and two that things should change to conform to their world.
*When people give them <blank> about it because of their ranting and raving they get even more attitude about the community (you know as I write this a player who starts with an 'R' and rhymes with Sh-moe-Sh-mina comes to night) and eventually place the blame on the community.
*Decide they are sick of not having things the way they want, place some blame, complain, and quit.

This is a big problem with some of the playerbase. I remember doing a few Promyvion runs back in the day, setting up the time, etc. Even though I was past the Promy's I'd still farm up my Anima's etc. When the time came to do the fight, I'd say "do you have your anima's?" "What are those?" was usually the response I would get. A few people would actually have meds, so sometimes it wasn't too bad, but I could probably count on one hand the people who were actually ready for the fight.

[Arbalest]

The Devs are not putting out bad content.

Going to stop you there.. You see, they HAVE been putting out bad content. All we've seen in a long while are revivals of old content.. Odin II, Neo-Nyzul Investigation, the Dynamis re-work (which is actually good).. and Voidwatch. Neo-Salvage only adds to the list of 'old content revival', even though it's not coming for quite a while.

If I have any complaints about the current content, Voidwatch is my biggest complaint. What can I say about it? It's boring. It doesn't inspire much strategy - the norm for any VW run is pop, spam temps, proc, spam more temps, mob dies, repeat. With VW being some of the only content I haven't caught up with since I started playing again, I really want to get it done - but it's hard enough to find people for clears, and combined with the content being so lack-luster, filler-esque, and overall boring, I can't bring myself to even log in on some days.

Oh, and the drop-rates, SE's beloved RNG; I haven't even gotten started about that yet.. the drop-rates on some gear from VW mobs are horrendous, and ridiculously so. Cells need to actually do something besides turning logs into petrifacts and petrifacts into logs.. It's called VOIDWatch, right? Not Petrifact-log-Watch? I've done hundreds of runs for some things, and I see other people get multiples of say.. Athos boots, in a single run, while all I see is logs, logs, and more logs. Maybe the occasional ingot - but that's no excuse. The RNG should not constantly reign over FFXI's players. And pulse cells are a terrible idea too. Let's take the horrendous droprate on an item, give you the option to turn it into a cell, and then it'll sell for millions upon millions of gil! Yeah, that's a good progress system.. oh.. wait, it's not.

FFXI has plenty of bad content that drives players away. Abyssea is one of the only good things about XI right now, because the gear is good, and getting Empyrean +2 armor doesn't depend on stupendously-horribad drop rates.

With Seekers of Adoulin in 2013, the dev team needs to accomplish two major things: 1) not take 5 years to wrap up a story after the expansion's debut, and 2) make content that is actually progressive, and not completely based on RNG. If they fail to accomplish either of these, then I definitely see FFXI breathing it's last breath the following year.

[Xikeroth]

THE RAPTURE IS COMING LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!

We have been hearing this <blank> for years. Enough already with the prophecies.
Someone might actually take them seriously, look at the people who prepared for the Mayan 2012 garbage.

The games population has been dropping, not increasing so yes the game will eventually die. That is a fact.

The Devs are not putting out bad content.

Compared to every other MMO on the planet? Yes, they are. All they are doing is re-releasing the old content with old fights we already fought and in some cases, throwing the garbage stagger system in (which makes it EASIER) to try to force people to bring every job. The content in this game is nothing compared to what it used to be.

This game was far superior at level 75 cap than it is now. FFXI also had a much larger population back then. If the game's content was getting better the population wouldn't be going down as frequently as it is and would be quite steady.

You can't use the excuse "The game is 10 years old" WoW is 8 years old, and its only going down in population due to the multiple clones it has.

A lot of the good ideas take a lot of time reworking the spaghetti code that is FFXI. They have to pick and choose what merits an immense time sink and what does not as well as factoring in their own plans.

As for the rest of the ideas from the player base. Have you ever put yourself in their position? They are not Santa Clause Ltd. and they have wishes being thrown at them everyday. On top of that you have the ideas that are subjective that the community splits down the line about and argue over.

But, yes there are just some things they will not listen to. That is not to say it is a good thing or bad thing though.

That right there is the fault of Tanaka. They have to rebuild FFXIV from the ground up because he screwed the games code up that badly.

Tanaka should have NEVER been in charge of a MMO. He not once, ever listened to what the community asked for or suggested. It took him over 5 years to put moogles in Selbina, you can not tell me that is hard to do when they are just exact copies of the ones in Kazham. I can tell you for a fact it isn't hard to do, at all. A successful MMO developer takes suggestions into serious consideration but the FFXI development team thinks everything they do is perfect and that they can't go wrong.

They started going terribly wrong when abyssea was launched. It got even worse when voidwatch came out. So much to the point a lot of people actually liked the broken game, FFXIV MORE than FFXI.

The end of the story is, if they don't listen to their players the game will die sooner then it could if they start listening. (For example everyone knows the new RDM ability coming out is total trash and SE is once again ignoring it).

We live in a world where people do not even want to turn their lights on anymore. What do you expect?

This game is not hard to learn and play. Personally I find the community to be kind and giving to those who actually put in the effort. If you are someone who just wants to shout a question in PJ you can easily look up (the most frequent scenario) then no the community will not treat you nicely. If you shout for help for hours with something you can easily do by yourself then once again the community will not be that nice to you.

Wrong again. My entire time playing this game I have helped people out regardless of if I would get anything out of it. I went out of my way to help those that needed it. What happened when I needed help, very few replied. Very few people even bother helping people when there is nothing in it for them. Maybe you paid them? Then again that would mean they are getting something out of it.

Regardless of how much effort someone puts in people are only nice to you and help you for the most part when they get something out of it. I'd say for every 10 people, maybe 1-2 of them are willing to help out and the rest couldn't care less about others.

We have a lot of what I have started dubbing Wall-E players out there. Riding in their chairs, being served, not having to do a thing, and expecting things to be done for them.

Funny, those are the exact same people who are making it in this game due to the lack of needing to know anything.

They do not:
*Put in research into this elaborate game.

1) New players generally want to try the game out, not study for hours before hand, this isn't school or a job, people play these games to get away from those. So your first point is flawed beyond belief and only proves your arrogance and self-centered attitude.

*Put any effort into becoming a team player (or even any real effort into their own characters development in all honesty).

This game stopped having a high requirement on this when the level cap was raised to 80. This is FFXI for dummies compared to the good old days. I wonder if you even finished CoP before they removed the level restrictions. THAT took teamwork. If you didn't then you have no right talking about being a "team player".

*Get upset when they want more out of the game than they can from their lack of time to play.

People want to be able to get the most out of their game time, not sit there in Jeuno begging for help from those that won't give it or waiting for a shout for the content they need.

*Get upset when others do not want to play with them because (in addition to bullet one and two) they have developed their own opinions bereft of any actual data. Then get an attitude on top of that.

From what I see, you're off in bullet one and two yourself. Irrationally thinking to serve your own views and ideas opposed to REAL data composed from people who have quit this game after recent attempts, one of the biggest complaints is that the community isn't very friendly, Far less friendly then in other MMOs. Which proves your entire statement incorrect and also proves you yourself do not follow data either.

*Go complain that because of failing to do bullet one and two that things should change to conform to their world.

If people hate a game or stop having fun, they quit. If people love a game or want it to be improved when they see something wrong they give an opinion or "complain" as you call it.

Its how MMORPGs work in the world today, its not the dev team is perfect, they aren't. All the successful MMOs in the world take player feedback and seriously look at it. The way FFXI's dev team handles things makes people feel like everything they say gets thrown in the trash which generates frustration.

*When people give them <blank> about it because of their ranting and raving they get even more attitude about the community (you know as I write this a player who starts with an 'R' and rhymes with Sh-moe-Sh-mina comes to night) and eventually place the blame on the community.

The community is to blame for quite a few things. The perception of FFXI from other MMO players is we're all stuck-up, serious, boring drones who follow this game because of the company that owns it and its title. They think we accept every decision the dev team makes without even debating against it.

This opinion isn't formed from people who haven't played the game mind you, its from past players that quit due to the refusal from the dev team to listen to the community.

The other problem is they think we're all too self-centered to help someone out when they need it. There is nothing wrong with helping someone, there IS something wrong when you turn a blind eye to those in need.

When a group of people treat you badly, do you look up to them? I bet you don't. Therefore when the community acts how it does to a group of people I'd say they have reason enough to look to the community with resentment. Its simple human emotion, you should try it sometime.

*Decide they are sick of not having things the way they want, place some blame, complain, and quit.

Most people quit because the development team has been going nowhere and has no path for this game.

Lets face it, Abyssea was released and the level cap increase was announced for around the same time as FFXIV's launch. They were both there because SE didn't want to lose FFXI's subscribers to FFXIV(in the case it worked out which it didn't)

And now FFXIV is being remade and relaunched, looking to be a far superior game to FFXI so far from what I have seen. When they announced "FFXIV: "A Realm Reborn" They announced the new FFXI expansion.

I guess you didn't pick up on this pattern, did you? Lets face it all the current content was only made in attempts to keep mindless gear farmers playing so they could continue to get our subscription fee.

In the past 2 years in terms of development and content, the REAL Final Fantasy fans have gotten cast aside so they could cater to gear farmers. This game has little to no depth to it anymore and less then 75% the skill that you needed when 75 was the cap. No new storyline to speak of(Nothing worthy of being called a final fantasy) which is what makes a final fantasy what it is. What little was given to us could be easily outdone by anything before. Even some FPS games have a better storyline then everything FFXI has past A crystalline prophecy.

You sir are what is wrong with the Final Fantasy community as a whole.

[Leonien]

I'd buy it. Playing on a next gen console rather than an out of date console tech. And the trophy system would be another incentive to buy. Inb4 PlayOnPCNubs. I have plenty of friends who are obessive about trophys, its what makes the challenge, something to accomplish rather than going day in day out doing voidwatch or whichever event line is going on.
I would have to agree with shikdaidaio aswell. People been saying that for ages and what.. oh... a new expansion coming out next spring.Yep.

[Mirage]

Never doubt the obsessive nature of trophy hunters, you will add some long term customers.

Lol, no. That's not how trophy hunters work.

Trophy hunters get the games where you get the most trophies for the least amount of effort. That doesn't exactly sound like FF11.

[Demon6324236]

Idk, look at achievements for Xbox, alot of them are just "Level blah job to 75" which is 20 easy ones by themselves.

As for the game dying, everyone says it about every game, that it will die eventually, I say it simply because I think that I will quit by then, and most people with my mind set will probably leave as well, not to mention the "hardcore" players supposedly took a hit from Abyssea, and now the "casual" players it brought, are going to leave because of new content takes to much time to get rewards. This is simply what I think, then again we players never quit, we take breaks, somehow this hamster wheel keeps pulling us back to run on it...