Dual-wield for cor

[Afania]

Not everyone uses SV Madrigal for VW across the board, I just wanted to know if my suspicion was correct. No SV Madrigal means you're either eating sushi or keeping Hunter's on you.

Just did another Prov watcher, and here's the parse result with my acc on it. Note that I still don't have optimal melee set, the only acc swap I had is Ziel charm, everything else is avg joe Oce head NQ and Thaumas 4/5.


http://pastebin.com/5XrTPE4e

You can comepare my acc with some of the higher acc DD job such as DRG, rag DRK and WAR etc. A lv 99 Rag DRK and WAR (which are some of the highest acc DD in this game atm as long as they pop JA, due to +40 acc on rag) only have 90%~91% hitrate. DRG, another high acc DD job is only 86%. I'm 84%, only 2% behind DRG and 7% behind rag 99 DRK, without Khepri head and Letalis mantle. With K.head and L.mantle, which is another +28 acc, my hit rate would be capped.

(speaking of which, should have used double mad on dragon since nobody caps acc with just 1 mad D; )

I'd go out and assume, anything a WAR and DRK can hit with a normal TP set, a dagger COR with proper set can hit it with hunters too. So if your melee DD can hit other VW without acc song, no way COR can't hit it either.

[Zagen]

Just did another Prov watcher, and here's the parse result with my acc on it. Note that I still don't have optimal melee set, the only acc swap I had is Ziel charm, everything else is avg joe Oce head NQ and Thaumas 4/5.


http://pastebin.com/5XrTPE4e

You can comepare my acc with some of the higher acc DD job such as DRG, rag DRK and WAR etc. A lv 99 Rag DRK and WAR (which are some of the highest acc DD in this game atm as long as they pop JA, due to +40 acc on rag) only have 90%~91% hitrate. DRG, another high acc DD job is only 86%. I'm 84%, only 2% behind DRG and 7% behind rag 99 DRK, without Khepri head and Letalis mantle. With K.head and L.mantle, which is another +28 acc, my hit rate would be capped.

(speaking of which, should have used double mad on dragon since nobody caps acc with just 1 mad D; )

I'd go out and assume, anything a WAR and DRK can hit with a normal TP set, a dagger COR with proper set can hit it with hunters too. So if your melee DD can hit other VW without acc song, no way COR can't hit it either.

Your theory of anything a DD doesn't need ACC songs a COR could get away with Hunter's is more often than not going to be true but that's because Hunter's Roll is giving you 50-65 ACC on XI. Also in taking that ACC you're giving up another roll.

You don't seem to get the difference between Watcher and any other VW fight. Watcher is not indicative of any other VW fight because it's a 1 time fight. I'm giving up as you keep using a 2hr buffed fight as your basis for all VW when it doesn't apply.

[Afania]

Your theory of anything a DD doesn't need ACC songs a COR could get away with Hunter's is more often than not going to be true but that's because Hunter's Roll is giving you 50-65 ACC on XI. Also in taking that ACC you're giving up another roll.

You don't seem to get the difference between Watcher and any other VW fight. Watcher is not indicative of any other VW fight because it's a 1 time fight. I'm giving up as you keep using a 2hr buffed fight as your basis for all VW when it doesn't apply.

It wasn't a No.11 hunter. Also when everyone receiving the same buff, I fail to see why it can't be same basis. DRK had 91% acc with 2hr buff, so without 2hr buff his acc would drop too. If in another VW fight DRK has 91% acc without 2hr buff, that means my acc wouldn't be too low either.

But anyways, it's not like other T6 VW I can think of that is good for meleeing(have to use WF on rex/bismarck, Ig-A has AoE doom, some other has potent spikes), and no way you'd have acc problem on T3. Unlike Dragon is fairly safe and fast to kill, I melee on dragon simply because if I shoot I parse much lower unless chain proc to recharge wings lolz.

I give up 2nd roll for hunter that's true, but it's not like 2nd song slot would benefit me a lot already. I still use Chaos/DA on DDs so they lose nothing, DA doesn't increase ranged WS dmg so the gain is minial, and regain isn't very potent when haste is capped. The only choice is really just regain or DA. While hunter helps last stand land easier(which allow me to deck out more AGI in last stand set) and melee.

[Zagen]

DRK/WAR Hume:
GS Skill: 433 = 409 ACC
DEX: 104 (assuming merited) = 78 ACC
Ragnarok 95: 35 ACC
Total: 522

COR/WAR Hume:
Dagger Skill: 404 = 383 ACC
DEX: 104 (assuming merited) = 52 ACC
Total: 435

Difference: 87

If your hunter's roll isn't 11 + Job Bonus you're not even close. Even with 11 + Job Bonus you're still 22 ACC short.

[Afania]

DRK/WAR Hume:
GS Skill: 433 = 409 ACC
DEX: 104 (assuming merited) = 78 ACC
Ragnarok 95: 35 ACC
Total: 522

COR/WAR Hume:
Dagger Skill: 404 = 383 ACC
DEX: 104 (assuming merited) = 52 ACC
Total: 435

Difference: 87

If your hunter's roll isn't 11 + Job Bonus you're not even close. Even with 11 + Job Bonus you're still 22 ACC short.

You sound like I'm argueing that COR has higher acc than a rag DRK, obviously that wasn't my intention. And 22 acc short is easily make up with gears.

[Zagen]

You sound like I'm argueing that COR has higher acc than a rag DRK, obviously that wasn't my intention. And 22 acc short is easily make up with gears.

You act like DRK isn't going to be wearing ACC gear.

Edit: By my count a DRK in gear is rocking 57-58 ACC in gear on top of the stats already mentioned. Then there's the ACC from JAs that are DRK native 25 from Souleater and 20 from Diabolic Eye. That's an awful lot of ACC to be made up.

[Afania]

You act like DRK isn't going to be wearing ACC gear.

Except rag DRK doesn't have to sacrifice lots of TP dmg to make up for acc, while in the case of COR, any capped haste situations and no real danger from AoE, shooting is just slower than meleeing for TP gain if triple shot not up/didn't proc, and no dusty wing recharge. Pulling off some old parse, Rag DRK parsed about 92% acc(not sure what's his TP set looks like) in prov KI BC without acc song/roll, in the course of 3 BC 6 NM(so JA not up all the time).

[Zagen]

Except rag DRK doesn't have to sacrifice lots of TP dmg to make up for acc, while in the case of COR, any capped haste situations and no real danger from AoE, shooting is just slower than meleeing for TP gain if triple shot not up/didn't proc, and no dusty wing recharge. Pulling off some old parse, Rag DRK parsed about 92% acc(not sure what's his TP set looks like) in prov KI BC without acc song/roll, in the course of 3 BC 6 NM(so JA not up all the time).

I'm not saying melee TP isn't faster when you can get close enough to ACC cap. COR however isn't getting there without sushi and/or Hunter's Roll.

You have nothing showing COR's ACC in a situation without 2hr Madrigal which is giving you 67-70 ACC, even worse if you did have hunter's on yourself.

The math I showed has COR falling short when ACC is a concern when compared to a DRK which you mentioned being able to catch up to. Also add 5 ACC to my numbers because upon rereading your parse post that was a 99 Rag and I used a 95 in my numbers.

So enlighten me on what gear set a COR can use that will give it 84-85 ACC without completely ruining your haste from gear. I haven't found it, I highly doubt you will either which leaves my point of a melee COR works on trash, on anything else it gives up too much to be functional if you're unwilling to eat sushi.

[Afania]

I'm not saying melee TP isn't faster when you can get close enough to ACC cap. COR however isn't getting there without sushi and/or Hunter's Roll.

You have nothing showing COR's ACC in a situation without 2hr Madrigal which is giving you 67-70 ACC, even worse if you did have hunter's on yourself.

The math I showed has COR falling short when ACC is a concern when compared to a DRK which you mentioned being able to catch up to. Also add 5 ACC to my numbers because upon rereading your parse post that was a 99 Rag and I used a 95 in my numbers.

So enlighten me on what gear set a COR can use that will give it 84-85 ACC without completely ruining your haste from gear. I haven't found it, I highly doubt you will either which leaves my point of a melee COR works on trash, on anything else it gives up too much to be functional if you're unwilling to eat sushi.

Why do you insist that you HAVE to hit as much acc as DRK to cap acc?

According to DNC(since DNC is a job with same dagger skill as COR, although they have acc bonus job trait) spreadsheet:
Race: Hume
Target: Ig-Alima
Aggress off
Food: RCB(or any none acc food)
Song=march x2, no embrava, no acc song, no hunters
TP set(just randomly tossing some TP gear with acc, there could be better set exist I think): Khepri augment, Ziel charm, Hollow earring, Mars ring, Thaumas body/legs, Athos feet, AF3+2 hands etc. Total haste:26%

Acc without counting acc bonus job trait(since COR doesn't have it)
69.5%
This is lowest you can get when aggressor down, and didn't put hunters up.

Add aggressor:
82%

Add hunter:
Even without DEX merit,
84.5% if unlucky and no job proc. 92% on a No.6 hunter and no job proc. Capped if No.6 and job proc. Capped if No.4, job proc or not. Capped on any No.9 or up even without job proc, or any job proc hunters unless you rolled an unlucky.

Doesn't sound too bad? You have 1/3 of chance to hit cap even without RNG in pt with any none unlucky number. Put RNG in pt(since you already need 1 for proc/DD anyways), any hunter will make you cap it on Ig-Alima unless you hit unlucky. Worst case you get no RNG, job didn't proc, and an average number like No.6 still make you well over 90%, all without acc food.

Oh and I didn't add DEX merit, it's well over 70% with no food/roll/aggressor if you have DEX merit.

[Zagen]

You compared to DRK not me. It doesn't matter what job if you aren't parsing near cap without food you need to waste food which drops your potential and means you gear needs to be adjusted.

Just plugged in your set into the DNC sheet and I'm getting 58.5% before making acc bonus 0. Without acc bonus it's 41%

I used Coruscanti for main.

So um ya your numbers are off and I'm not sure what you did differently, but hey lets leave the spreadsheets alone and look at the math ourselves.

Ig-Alima stats:
Level: 120
Evasion: 540

COR stats:
Level: 99
ACC: 545 (420 Skill + 71 ACC Gear + 89 DEX Hume no Merits + 63 DEX Gear)

Hit Rate (%) = 75 + floor( (545 - 540)÷2 ) - 2×(120 - 99)
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + 6 - 42
Hit Rate = 39%

With Aggressor:
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + floor( (570 - 540)÷2 ) - 2×(120 - 99)
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + 15 - 42
Hit Rate = 48%

With Hunter's XI w/ Bonus:
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + floor( (610 - 540)÷2 ) - 2×(120 - 99)
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + 35 - 42
Hit Rate = 68%

With Aggressor + Hunter's XI w/ Bonus:
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + floor( (635 - 540)÷2 ) - 2×(120 - 99)
Hit Rate (%) = 75 + 47 - 42
Hit Rate = 80%

I don't know about you but 80% isn't acceptable to me.