Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
The only situations (that I can think of at least) where you'd be pushing out a lot more TP meleeing than shooting/qd/regaining to offset the lower WS damage would be situations where a COR isn't really needed.
Actually, no, getting DW while giving up fencer bonus actually make your last stand stronger when you /WAR.

Assuming 200 AGI, 137 STR on COR/WAR with nguul, target VIT 110ish and 16 fSTR2, pDIF at 3.

(165+16+170)x4.5125=1583
1583x3=4749


Without fencer bonus, but with DW, you can offhand another STR sword such as prov sword or Sagasinger, pushes your fSTR2 to 20~23.

With Sagasinger but no fencer bonus:
(165+23+170)x4.4625=1597
1597x3=4790

(165+20+170)x4.4625=1584
1584x3=4752

Even with prov sword, DW still superior to fencer bonus, with Sagasinger the gap gets bigger. And that's just counting WS dmg, no extra TP dmg. Even if you can't melee the target at all, DW still has higher number.

As for the usefulness of meleeing, I think it's viable in VW with fana and march, especially lower tier when 1h weapon dmg isn't that bad.

For lowman content such as limbus/dyna/nyzul, I wouldn't mind more output in those event too. Of course you can argue that COR isn't "needed" in those, but so does any none-mage job. Technically those content can be done with any combination of DD jobs+mage. So it's a nice extra advantage to increase output if someone want to play COR in those content.