Dual-wield for cor

[hiko]

How exactly does Dual Wield tie into the lore of the job?



Like Nguul or Acinaces when subbing /WAR for Fencer bonus?

fencer bonus in a dual wield thread?

[Zagen]

fencer bonus in a dual wield thread?

COR excels in events where it isn't able to be up in the face of a monster meleeing. Considering there isn't any dagger combo that trumps Nguul or Acinaces and fencer bonus or the benefits of elemental staves, why would we want DW?

[Afania]

COR excels in events where it isn't able to be up in the face of a monster meleeing. Considering there isn't any dagger combo that trumps Nguul or Acinaces and fencer bonus or the benefits of elemental staves, why would we want DW?

Now that I think about it, getting DW with /WAR may potentially allow better last stand spam in capped haste situations, with extra offhand DPS, more STR or AGI, and faster TP gain than shooting. It could open up some more room to push more output in some situation.

This job isn't as DW reliant as DNC or BLU or THF though.

[Zagen]

Now that I think about it, getting DW with /WAR may potentially allow better last stand spam in capped haste situations, with extra offhand DPS, more STR or AGI, and faster TP gain than shooting. It could open up some more room to push more output in some situation.

This job isn't as DW reliant as DNC or BLU or THF though.

The only situations (that I can think of at least) where you'd be pushing out a lot more TP meleeing than shooting/qd/regaining to offset the lower WS damage would be situations where a COR isn't really needed.

[Afania]

The only situations (that I can think of at least) where you'd be pushing out a lot more TP meleeing than shooting/qd/regaining to offset the lower WS damage would be situations where a COR isn't really needed.

Actually, no, getting DW while giving up fencer bonus actually make your last stand stronger when you /WAR.

Assuming 200 AGI, 137 STR on COR/WAR with nguul, target VIT 110ish and 16 fSTR2, pDIF at 3.

(165+16+170)x4.5125=1583
1583x3=4749


Without fencer bonus, but with DW, you can offhand another STR sword such as prov sword or Sagasinger, pushes your fSTR2 to 20~23.

With Sagasinger but no fencer bonus:
(165+23+170)x4.4625=1597
1597x3=4790

(165+20+170)x4.4625=1584
1584x3=4752

Even with prov sword, DW still superior to fencer bonus, with Sagasinger the gap gets bigger. And that's just counting WS dmg, no extra TP dmg. Even if you can't melee the target at all, DW still has higher number.

As for the usefulness of meleeing, I think it's viable in VW with fana and march, especially lower tier when 1h weapon dmg isn't that bad.

For lowman content such as limbus/dyna/nyzul, I wouldn't mind more output in those event too. Of course you can argue that COR isn't "needed" in those, but so does any none-mage job. Technically those content can be done with any combination of DD jobs+mage. So it's a nice extra advantage to increase output if someone want to play COR in those content.

[Zagen]

Actually, no, getting DW while giving up fencer bonus actually make your last stand stronger when you /WAR.

Assuming 200 AGI, 137 STR on COR/WAR with nguul, target VIT 110ish and 16 fSTR2, pDIF at 3.

(165+16+170)x4.5125=1583
1583x3=4749


Without fencer bonus, but with DW, you can offhand another STR sword such as prov sword or Sagasinger, pushes your fSTR2 to 20~23.

With Sagasinger but no fencer bonus:
(165+23+170)x4.4625=1597
1597x3=4790

(165+20+170)x4.4625=1584
1584x3=4752

Even with prov sword, DW still superior to fencer bonus, with Sagasinger the gap gets bigger. And that's just counting WS dmg, no extra TP dmg. Even if you can't melee the target at all, DW still has higher number.

Aluh is a more real offhand option which happens to fit the 20 equation. So I stand corrected you do 3 more damage.

As for the usefulness of meleeing, I think it's viable in VW with fana and march, especially lower tier when 1h weapon dmg isn't that bad.

Unless you're eating sushi I would go out and say not really viable in VW beyond Jeuno. As to cities considering when I do those all DD are holding back waiting for one person to call out procs because they die that fast, why would the COR be up there knocking off HP? Maybe for low man situations but otherwise I just don't see it.

For lowman content such as limbus/dyna/nyzul, I wouldn't mind more output in those event too. Of course you can argue that COR isn't "needed" in those, but so does any none-mage job. Technically those content can be done with any combination of DD jobs+mage. So it's a nice extra advantage to increase output if someone want to play COR in those content.

Like you said "needed" and "nice" aren't really the same.
Neo-Limbus? Maybe to build pops it's viable, not sure tbh.
Dynamis? I sure hope you're EXPing at which point who gives a crap, if you're there for currency why aren't you /DNC for procs?
NNI? Even with the proposed changes so far it doesn't look appealing for COR.

[Afania]

Aluh is a more real offhand option which happens to fit the 20 equation. So I stand corrected you do 3 more damage.


Unless you're eating sushi I would go out and say not really viable in VW beyond Jeuno.

You get hunters roll, aggressor and temp, and you can adjust your TP set for more accuracy, I don't think sushi is needed to hit stuff with a dagger, although I've never try on something like watcher. But long time ago I had about 86% on unbuffed BLU(which happened to be 1h job too) on watcher. That's with just pizza, and no SV acc song+hunters. COR with those should be 80% no matter what.

[Babekeke]

I can help you out on a copuple of things:

Neo-Limbus? Maybe to build pops it's viable, not sure tbh.

Unless you're really short on time to do limbus, and therefore need to finish each zone really fast, you're better off to have the cor swap to thf and go solo a zone for extra coins to buy the chips. Personally I like temenos west on thf, and can get ~75 clearing every mob.

Dynamis? I sure hope you're EXPing at which point who gives a crap, if you're there for currency why aren't you /DNC for procs?

Uh, if you're exping, you want to kill every mob ASAP, so surely everyone gives a crap?