Legion, current playerbase and endgame content

[Afania]

I say selfish because of the massive amount of things you waste. Cinder for instance, I remember having a talk on here with Mdk about how Cinder was hard to find, I wonder how its hard to find, only drops from 2 NMs in VW which are not the most commonly done NMs, and 1 player was taking 3000 of them to themselves for a worthless upgrade... Seems a bit selfish. I feel entitled to judge because I know stupid things when I see them, I watch people on this server shout for days at times, trying to get cinder or dross for upgrades, if someone is hoarding them for Afterglow, they are not only a fool, but selfish for hoarding 3000 items (50 upgrades worth) to themselves for an upgrade that is no where near worth it while people shout all over needing them.

If you duoed ADL for all the marrows, cool, still a waste, going back to what your sig says, you have 2 lv95 H2H you could have 99ed, you could have made a relic for a few new jobs, learned how gear works for those jobs so maybe you don't think that for some reason, every event has terrible gear and isn't worth doing. There are a number of problems I have with afterglow in general that give me that outlook on them, and very little anyone can say or do to change that.



250 x 16Million = 4Billion
4Billion divided by 135Million(Aprox price of a relic) = 29.6
So you could have instead funded nearly 30 relics or you could have made about 18~19 lv99 Relics. These could be made by friends, LS members, anyone you know, instead, you got some glowing hands... Congratulations.

Lol a bit derailing, but I disagree with what you said there.

By your logic, anyone buying currency for his relic club/staff is a waste, anyone buying alex for NIN Mythic or ranged Mythic is a waste too. And anyone buying HMP/Dross/Cinder for polearm/staff/club is also a waste.

And pulling another step further, anyone buying currency for ANY relic except Ragnaork, anyone buying alex for ANY Mythic except GK/Polearm/KKK and anyone buying hMP/cinder/dross for ANY empy except Ukon/Harp/Vere/Masa is also a waste.

BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DOESN'T WORTH IT WHEN ANOTHER RELIC/MYTHIC/EMPY IS MORE OF AN UPGRADE!!!!!! And I'm entitled to judge too, because I have strong sense of justice and must correct all the wrongs in this world

Amirite?

Cinder/dross/hmp/alex/currency is on the market for anyone that can afford it to buy. As long as they farm their gil legit, it's their 10$ a month and they have right to choose what to upgrade they want, even if it's a meanless upgrade.

And no one else has right to point finger for not spending gil on X relic or X empy, unless you farmed gil for them or paid their monthly fee.

Not everyone is interested in playing jobs they don't enjoy, nor farm a relic/empy for jobs they don't enjoy. Some ppl just enjoy playing 1 job and get everything for that 1 job. Your arguement of saying "why don't you just spend on another relic" is totally invalid. You don't have right to point finger to any player that doesn't play/gear new jobs unless you pay for them. Just because you would choose to gear a new job and get relic for it, doesn't mean every player have to do it like you, and not following your way doesn't make them selfish too.

And giving out gil to LS/friend? Lol. How about you give out 1 relic worth of gil to your LS and friend and see how'd you feel w Especially when ppl come and go so fast nowadays, I wonder if giving out relics to friends is even worth it or not when they just get relic and sell account.

Before you point fingers to others, calling others "selfish", how about you show yourself that you're not selfish and willing out to give 30 relics to friends w. Majority of players doesn't give out relic to friends, so by your logic majority of players are selfish too w

But no, not giving out relic to friends isn't selfish, buying cinder for afterglow(or any weaker empy upgrade) isn't too. Anyone have right to keep their hard earned gil on themselves. Or else you're calling majority of players that doesn't work on right weapon and not giving out gil selfish too, and that probably include yourself.


Edit: Personally I don't think Vere afterglow is completely useless if you pt with none aftermath DD btw.

[Demon6324236]

By your logic, anyone buying currency for his relic club/staff is a waste, anyone buying alex for NIN Mythic or ranged Mythic is a waste too. And anyone buying HMP/Dross/Cinder for polearm/staff/club is also a waste.

And pulling another step further, anyone buying currency for ANY relic except Ragnaork, anyone buying alex for ANY Mythic except GK/Polearm/KKK and anyone buying hMP/cinder/dross for ANY empy except Ukon/Harp/Vere/Masa is also a waste.

BECAUSE THOSE THINGS DOESN'T WORTH IT WHEN ANOTHER RELIC/MYTHIC/EMPY IS MORE OF AN UPGRADE!!!!!! And I'm entitled to judge too, because I have strong sense of justice and must correct all the wrongs in this world ;)

Amirite?

You see there is a difference. Afterglow is a cosmetic upgrade with nearly no benefit what to ever, thus, a waste. Your going much to far into what your saying. For instance, my Excalibur does more damage for my RDM, thus, worthy investment. A Mythic NIN does more damage, again, worthy investment. Aftermath MNK gets glowy hands, not a worthy investment. Afterglow WAR gets a giant glowing Axe, again, not worth it. If afterglow improved stats, I might see it as worth it, and not selfish.

Now if the stats were
99:DMG:+52 Delay:+86 Attack+40 Enhances "Counter" effect V "Final Heaven"
99-2:DMG:+62 Delay:+86 Attack+50 Enhances "Counter" effect VI "Final Heaven" Afterglow
Might have something there, an increase in DMG, Attack, and Enhancement. However your comparison is bad imo because your talking about real improvements vs visual improvements.

Cinder/dross/hmp/alex/currency is on the market for anyone that can afford it to buy. As long as they farm their gil legit, it's their 10$ a month and they have right to choose what to upgrade they want, even if it's a meanless upgrade.

And no one else has right to point finger for not spending gil on X relic or X empy, unless you farmed gil for them or paid their monthly fee.

I still see any afterglow as a selfish use of supplies & resources, simple as that. Spend your gil on what you want but that doesn't mean at the end of the day I will think it was any less selfish or justified.

Not everyone is interested in playing jobs they don't enjoy, nor farm a relic/empy for jobs they don't enjoy. Some ppl just enjoy playing 1 job and get everything for that 1 job. Your arguement of saying "why don't you just spend on another relic" is totally invalid. You don't have right to point finger to any player that doesn't play/gear new jobs unless you pay for them. Just because you would choose to gear a new job and get relic for it, doesn't mean every player have to do it like you, and not following your way doesn't make them selfish too.

That comment was mainly thrown in because it seems as though Pchan likes to say every event that comes out has shit for gear, but fails to mention that really, thats because only counting MNKs gear. For instance, NNI rewards, which have some of the best Heavy DD gear in the game including the best WS body ever, or like with Legion.

And giving out gil to LS/friend? Lol. How about you give out 1 relic worth of gil to your LS and friend and see how'd you feel w Especially when ppl come and go so fast nowadays, I wonder if giving out relics to friends is even worth it or not when they just get relic and sell account.

Before you point fingers to others, calling others "selfish", how about you show yourself that you're not selfish and willing out to give 30 relics to friends w. Majority of players doesn't give out relic to friends, so by your logic majority of players are selfish too w

If I had the 250 Marrows to do it? Yeah, I would sell 200 of them and use the gil to buy my best friend his Alexandrites for his Ryuno, buy the Alex for my GF's KKK or Nirvana she wants, finish my Excalibur & Almace to 99, possibly make the RDM Mythic, and after all of that which is about... 2 Billion of the gil, then finish the Bravura, Aegis, Apoc, Rag, and Anni that are being built in my LS as well as 99 them all with the remaining Marrows I didn't sell, along with 99 the 2 relics in my LS currently. That would run down the gil to leave about... 10 Marrows & 300~500Mil gil, which would go to more Relics, Mythics, or Emps that need it later. This would take my LS from its current... 4 Emps 2 Relics, to 4 Emps 7 Relics & 3 Mythics, a massive improvement in group strength. See, the flaw is, I don't have 250 Marrows, so this is all hypothetical, and also I am in a mainly casual/social LS which I run because I like the people in it and have known them for years. Unlike others I don't have easy access to ADL, Neo-Events, or Legion due to that choice, not that its anyone else's fault but my own, but its the reason why I cant exactly do all that like I want to.

But no, not giving out relic to friends isn't selfish, buying cinder for afterglow(or any weaker empy upgrade) isn't too. Anyone have right to keep their hard earned gil on themselves. Or else you're calling majority of players that doesn't work on right weapon and not giving out gil selfish too, and that probably include yourself.

To make Afterglow you have to be one of the richest people on the game, or you have enough shit to sell to be one of the richest people on the game. If you have that much money or potential money and you cant share it with those around you, instead you make a worthless upgrade to your weapon to make it shiny, yes, thats selfish to me.

Edit: Personally I don't think Vere afterglow is completely useless if you pt with none aftermath DD btw.

Depends on the % of the increased crit rate... and even then, not nearly worth 3~4 Billion gil.

[Afania]

You see there is a difference. Afterglow is a cosmetic upgrade with nearly no benefit what to ever, thus, a waste. Your going much to far into what your saying. For instance, my Excalibur does more damage for my RDM, thus, worthy investment. A Mythic NIN does more damage, again, worthy investment. Aftermath MNK gets glowy hands, not a worthy investment. Afterglow WAR gets a giant glowing Axe, again, not worth it. If afterglow improved stats, I might see it as worth it, and not selfish.

Now if the stats were
99MG:+52 Delay:+86 Attack+40 Enhances "Counter" effect V "Final Heaven"
99-2MG:+62 Delay:+86 Attack+50 Enhances "Counter" effect VI "Final Heaven" Afterglow
Might have something there, an increase in DMG, Attack, and Enhancement. However your comparison is bad imo because your talking about real improvements vs visual improvements.I still see any afterglow as a selfish use of supplies & resources, simple as that.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Version-Update



Lv 99 Vere: STR+20 "Victory Smite"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage

Lv 99+ Vere:
STR+20 "Victory Smite"
Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
Afterglow (Increases critical hit rate)

According to the text on the weapon, a lv 99+ empy does gives more dmg to entire pt(depend on the weapon your pt member use though), thus it's not just visual improvement.
It does make a difference in terms of your pt output.

When everyone bash on afterglow, there are 2 main reasons. First being majority of player can't afford it while other gears more affordable, 2nd being the improvement is other pt member, not the user(and not every weapon gets benefit). However, even if user couldn't improve dmg, you still can't deny that entire pt's output increased with afterglow.Which is situational, like how you liked Excalibur on your RDM. I guess it's just so hard for you to grasp the concept of team performance. If you can't grasp the concept of team performance or situationally gets benefit, then of course afterglow is useless to you.

I can argue that getting excalibur for RDM is pointless too considering currently there are no real reason to use melee RDM over other alternatives. Of course you won't agree with it, like how I disagree with afterglow being useless. It's situational, just like excalibur for RDM melee. Just becase YOU think it's not worth it, doesn't mean everyone else thinks the same way. How about I tell you that I don't think excalibur for RDM is not worth it and anyone building it is a waste of currency when it can go to Rag, because it's not worth spending 100M+ on a melee weapon for RDM when I can just use empy if I want to melee(which is never), how'd you feel?

.If I had the 250 Marrows to do it? Yeah, I would sell 200 of them and use the gil to buy my best friend his Alexandrites for his Ryuno, buy the Alex for my GF's KKK or Nirvana she wants, finish my Excalibur & Almace to 99, possibly make the RDM Mythic, and after all of that which is about... 2 Billion of the gil, then finish the Bravura, Aegis, Apoc, Rag, and Anni that are being built in my LS as well as 99 them all with the remaining Marrows I didn't sell, along with 99 the 2 relics in my LS currently. That would run down the gil to leave about... 10 Marrows & 300~500Mil gil, which would go to more Relics, Mythics, or Emps that need it later. This would take my LS from its current... 4 Emps 2 Relics, to 4 Emps 7 Relics & 3 Mythics, a massive improvement in group strength. See, the flaw is, I don't have 250 Marrows, so this is all hypothetical

If I'm as rich as Bill Gates, I'm going to spend millions and millions to help the poor, because I don't need that much money to live, and all those rich bastards in the world never donate enough money to help the poor ;(

But see, the flaw is, I am not as rich as Bill Gates, so this is all hypothetical and I can never help the poor ;(

Assuming Pchan's gil didn't came from RMT and he farmed all himself, you're assuming all his gil just rain down from sky, that he didn't spend any effort to farm for it, and anyone that can't afford relic/empy/Mythic are entitle to get a share.

The fact is, he probably spend more effort to farm the gil than anyone else, by doing research, finding a way to lowman ADL efficiently, and farm ADL daily and so on, which is undeniably a lot of work. Unless you spend as much effort and farm that much gil as him, and give it away, you don't have right to act like a justice freak and point finger at him since you never spend the effort and time to farm gil to begin with. Why should anyone not spending the time and effort get a free share of gil so they can start showing off their gear in PJ and sell account when they're bored of FFXI? Why can anyone not spend the time and effort to farm gil can start lecturing others who spent the time to get that much gil?

Bill Gates probably work 10x harder than average ppl to earn the money, like how rich ppl in FFXI probably worked 10x harder than avg ppl to farm the gil(unless you RMT), why'd they give all their hard work away and get nothing? If you're really into saving the poor and help ppl, spend 10x more effort to farm the gil and give it away before you want to point fingers. Whoever spent most effort deserves success and wealth, and right to decide what to do with their wealth, not those who just sit there and do nothing.

If someone wants something, earn with your own hands. I rarely hand out gil to newer players when they need gil for spells too, because that would spoil them and take away all the fun in FFXI, which is to accomplish things by themselves. I tell them how to farm gil best of my knowledge, but I don't hand stuff to them. I sure have enough gil to buy a newer player all the spell he needs, but doesn't mean I think it's right thing to hand out free stuff, and I don't think not handing out free stuff when you earned it in the first place is selfish. Efficient way to farm gil from ADL has been posted and discussed on BG, you should be thankful that at least some ppl didn't keeping their hard earned gil making method secret and anyone can follow the strat.

Now if the stats were
That comment was mainly thrown in because it seems as though Pchan likes to say every event that comes out has shit for gear, but fails to mention that really, thats because only counting MNKs gear

Sounds more like you are against his person, instead of using logic. Whether event has shit gear and worth doing or not is his choice and opinion. Just like how you think you'd want every relic for all your jobs if you're rich, and give away all the gil to others is your choice. You can think afterglow is not worth the gil all day and refuse to work on one if you want, and nobody is going to stop you or point finger at you. Same reason why I will never point finger at you for using currency on excalibur(instead of your friend's DD weapon), because it's your choice and your gil. However, just because someone didn't give 3 billion gil away, doesn't make them selfish as long as he didn't use other ppl to make his gil. Just because you think you're a saint and can give all your gil away if you have that much, doesn't make anyone not doing the same selfish.(if you really want to be a saint that much, spend 10x of effort to farm for gil and hand them out before you talk about it) Like how nobody is allowed to point finger at me for not buying spells for newer players with my gil. The moment you call others selfish for not handing out free gil, you're just not much different from the ppl you look down to.





I think it's pretty selfish to ask rich ppl who worked 10 time harder to hand out free gil to those who doesn't work for it too.

[MarkovChain]

Edit: Personally I don't think Vere afterglow is completely useless if you pt with none aftermath DD btw.

My new pimpass afterglow spharai is benefiting from +5% crit from mdk's afterglow (all this because final heaven sux)

[Demon6324236]

If I'm as rich as Bill Gates, I'm going to spend millions and millions to help the poor, because I don't need that much money to live, and all those rich bastards in the world never donate enough money to help the poor ;(

But see, the flaw is, I am not as rich as Bill Gates, so this is all hypothetical and I can never help the poor ;(

And giving out gil to LS/friend? Lol. How about you give out 1 relic worth of gil to your LS and friend and see how'd you feel.

Before you point fingers to others, calling others "selfish", how about you show yourself that you're not selfish and willing out to give 30 relics to friends.

You put this question into play, I answered you honestly what I would do in the case I had that choice, I can do nothing more.

Sounds more like you are against his person, instead of using logic.

I simply added it in because the fact he constantly says events have shit for gear does annoy me due to the fact he seemingly ignores all gear that MNK can not use. Perhaps if he were to use another job, he may learn to gear it, and then he could see their use. The remark was not so much to say "Go play some other job even if you don't want to just because you have the money to!" but more to say "If you wanted to you could have even put the money to use like this, so that you may see why gear from events is good, and even give you more to do in the game as you would have more rewards you actually see worth your time."

My new pimpass afterglow spharai is benefiting from +5% crit from mdk's afterglow (all this because final heaven sux)

So your not using Final Heaven anyways, making your Afterglow pointless...

[Afania]

You put this question into play, I answered you honestly what I would do in the case I had that choice, I can do nothing more.

As I said, I do believe you that you would do it if you have that much gil suddenly pop in Dbox, but the point is you choose not to farm that much gil or you don't have the ability to farm that much gil.

Thus you're not entitle to call others with the ability/will/determination to farm that much gil selfish.

If someone doesn't have the ability to do charity, nor having the will to withstand the ordeal of gaining ability to do charity, then calling others out for not doing charity is nothing but hypocrisy.

If you really want to help friend so much, then abandon your social approach of this game and get hardcore, withstand the ordeal and mental torture of daily ADL and pay for extra monthly fee for mules, so you can get everyone relic and Mythic in your LS. But since you choose not to get hardcore, then what give you the right to call others who went through all those ordeal selfish? You choose not to farm that much gil in the first place, not you have 3 billion and choose not to give away. You only look at all the gil, and thinks they just rain from sky and whoever has it have to give it away, but never thought of all those gil requires determination, effort and time to get in the first place.

As I said, if you really really REALLY want to be a saint that much, then you will choose an approach to play this game that gives you the ability to become a rich saint that can give relics away. But you'd rather let others do the work, lol.




I see no real benefit to sacrifice this much for LSmate anyways. Ppl come and go way too fast those days, and often sell account. Also you won't die on the street if you don't have gil in a MMO. If it's real life close relationship ppl such as wife maybe can, since I can probably get some benefit from it. But someone I never meet irl? Get real, 99% of player isn't going to farm 3 billion worth of gil to get them relic when they're going to change LS or quit/sell account someday.

I simply added it in because the fact he constantly says events have shit for gear does annoy me due to the fact he seemingly ignores all gear that MNK can not use. Perhaps if he were to use another job, he may learn to gear it, and then he could see their use. The remark was not so much to say "Go play some other job even if you don't want to just because you have the money to!" but more to say "If you wanted to you could have even put the money to use like this, so that you may see why gear from events is good, and even give you more to do in the game as you would have more rewards you actually see worth your time.

He plays MNK, and not interested in playing other jobs, thus it's not illogical that X event is worthless for him to do. Back then when I tried to make a NNI static, I couldn't convince a BRD to come SCH for us too, because all the NNI gear he isn't interested even though his other jobs can use it.

I don't see there's a big problem of playing and gearing for 1 job, and not doing event or doesn't care about event for gears his job can't use. Some ppl likes to grind all the situational gears for one single favorite job that only shines in very, very VERY rare situations. Some ppl would rather skip all those situational gears for more inv and resources for more jobs for broader and wider access for different events. Different ppl different strokes, just because you would rather spend more resource on different jobs, doesn't mean everyone would enjoy it, nor make you "smarter".

If you feel annoyed because someone doesn't care about other jobs, why don't you just ignore? You're just way too easily affected emotionally by others opinion.

I started my legion group and went through all the mental torture for it so I can get snapshot feet, which doesn't make a damn difference in terms of performance without 3rd pt tool. I already got it but still experience mental torture for making full ally every week(since I can't just bail after I get my shit). And guess what? First page of reply on this tread told me Gallu drop is worthless when I started everything and went through a lot just for it.

Do I get annoyed? No. Because different gears have different value in different player's mind. Why would I get annoyed if the gear I value a lot is worthless in another player's mind and vice versa? It's not like he takes my valueable gear away just by thinking that way. If I disagree with his POV, I simply state my opinion and that's it.

Maybe you liked X gear, and Pchan doesn't care about the gear you value a lot, but why does it matter to you? X gear is still in your inventory and many ppl already explained why other gear isn't worthless too. If someone thinks X gear is uselss, explain why it's useful. But really no point to tell others to play another job they're not going to care anyways.

."So your not using Final Heaven anyways, making your Afterglow pointless...

Relic afterglow is a lot harder to take advantage than empy afterglow. One way I think that can work is before you pop the NM(probably a pop NM like VW or ADL), you use Final Heaven on another fodder and get afterglow, so when NM is popped all pt member gets afterglow for a while.

Also in an acc way under cap situaitons, if you pt with 4 other DDs and nobody close to capping acc, final heaven may*(I'm not 100% sure about this though, need math) be worth using over merit WS just so that everyone else gets acc and increase a lot of output, considering acc is one of the most important melee state, the increase dmg from 4 other DD may add up more than the WS dmg lose from using Final Heaven.

However, it's Pchan's weapon, so how he take advantage of it is his business and he is the one that should worry about it, not you nor me. If he can't take advantage, then he wasted effort/time and it's as simple as that. Not like the effort/time/gil he wasted is your gil/time.

[Demon6324236]

Funny how we went from talking about how gear from Legion is good or useful, to me judging others & being hypocritical because of my general outlook on Afterglow in response to what Arcon said... Suppose I should have just said Afterglow is meaningless to me in every way and would not change my outlook at what I perceive as someones ignorance toward gear.

He plays MNK, and not interested in playing other jobs, thus it's not illogical that X event is worthless for him to do. Back then when I tried to make a NNI static, I couldn't convince a BRD to come SCH for us too, because all the NNI gear he isn't interested even though his other jobs can use it.

I don't see there's a big problem of playing and gearing for 1 job, and not doing event or doesn't care about event for gears his job can't use. Some ppl likes to grind all the situational gears for one single favorite job that only shines in very, very VERY rare situations. Some ppl would rather skip all those situational gears for more inv and resources for more jobs for broader and wider access for different events. Different ppl different strokes, just because you would rather spend more resource on different jobs, doesn't mean everyone would enjoy it, nor make you "smarter".

Your right, not everyone is interested in gear for every job. Going back to what he originally said that caused me to post the gear that stands out when I look through Legions rewards, was this.

Reward wise, legion is actually pretty balanced IMO. The fact that Gallu/Rex on wave 3 has 100% drop slot pretty much offers good reward for more effort.

Which ? And for what job ? The entire thing looked like "a pile of worthless crap or sidegrades in certain situation that never happen" kind of gear, when they released it. Meteor and arise serve no purpose in the game and if you ever want some they cost 5 M at bazaars (2 dynamis run farming if you suck).

The only reason I don't do it is because the drops are crap. The event seems to be an excuse to make arise/meteor drop or skilling up crafts. If SE wants people to have interest they need to give great stuff for every job first, which you don't seem to emphasize in your post. Aside from that I entirely agree with the other parts. However I fear that the incoming embrava and PD nerf is going to end up in a trivialisation of the event such has displacers for voidwatch.

Another threat is going to be the new salvage gear probably (both because of quality and player friendly environement).

Let's be honest ?

To me this post looks to imply he is judging all gear, not simply MNKs actually. The underlined statement is what leads me to think that is what he was saying. Either way I don't care much anymore.

Mdk is which means I'm getting the afterglow boohoo. You're slow.

Mdk is using VS, your getting the afterglow from VS, not Spharai, thus making the afterglow on Spharai unused & pointless at that time, unless your WSing with Final Heaven, its not doing anything, unless I misunderstood how Afterglow works.



My spacebar broke a few days ago & I have been wasting my time posting on here to reply in a pointless argument to explain what I think of afterglow, you all can continue with your talking about Legion. I agree it should be easier to pull a group together, as otherwise I will probably never do the content, past that I don't care much, Ill miss out on some of the best gear for my RDM unless they make it available otherwise, which will hurt me, but nothing I can really do at this point. I think Legion was designed poorly anyways due to the reliance of PD & Embrava, however at the same time I understand why it was made in that way, its because the playerbase would use them anyways and make it easy. Thats about all I have to say on the topic really.

[Afania]

Funny how we went from talking about how gear from Legion is good or useful, to me judging others & being hypocritical because of my general outlook on Afterglow in response to what Arcon said... Suppose I should have just said Afterglow is meaningless to me in every way and would not change my outlook at what I perceive as someones ignorance toward gear.

This is more about you calling others selfish for making afterglow/worthless upgrade. I don't care if you think afterglow is useless and I will never put a gun in your head and force you to do it or convince you to do it, because it's your personal opinion. I don't care if someone thinks afterglow is awesome accomplishment because that's his opinion and not mine. I don't care about whether pchan is ignorance toward gear or not, because it's also your opinion and his opinion towards gear. I don't care if you call greedy LS leader who slaving others to make gil selfish or ppl who only ask for help but never help back selfish because that does fits the meaning of selfish.

Afterglow is simply an expensive situational upgrade for me and that's it. But whether ppl do it for standing glow in PJ, or ppl do it for improving performance in mind is none of my concern.


But I disagree with you calling ppl selfish for making afterglow with their own gil, because to an extend that implys me, and majority of players who doesn't hand out gil and buys very situational gear that almost never have a use selfish too. And that's direct towards person, not job/gear. Calling a job/gear worthless is different from calling other ppl selfish for spending gil.

Anyways back to legion ._.

[MarkovChain]

So your not using Final Heaven anyways, making your Afterglow pointless...

Mdk is which means I'm getting the afterglow boohoo. You're slow.

[wish12oz]

My new pimpass afterglow spharai is benefiting from +5% crit from mdk's afterglow (all this because final heaven sux)

Know what would of benefited the two of you more? Using some of that gil to buy Neo Nyzul drops because you can't beat the event on your own.

Neo Nyzul gear > useless glowing.