Legion, current playerbase and endgame content

[Arcon]

While, in general, I agree with your overall sentiment, I'm not sure why you think some situational gear is required (or even massively beneficial) to Legion. I don't know of any piece of gear at all, for any job, that is only good in Legion and nowhere else. You simply want "good" gear, but I fail to see how this is in any way different from any other event ever.

And setups are also not a massive problem, I think the worst problem is firstly finding skilled players who can adhere to a certain strategy and not fuck up and secondly, finding that many of them. Gear and job selection aren't the real issues (unless we're talking about extremely casual players), as many people have many jobs leveled these days, and while exceptional gear may still be rare, "good enough" gear isn't. The quantity, quality and integrity of players is the crux in making this casual friendly. It's an event that requires a significant amount of cooperation of a large group, with preferably a static lineup of people who won't quit straight after obtaining what they came for.

[Afania]

While, in general, I agree with your overall sentiment, I'm not sure why you think some situational gear is required (or even massively beneficial) to Legion. I don't know of any piece of gear at all, for any job, that is only good in Legion and nowhere else. You simply want "good" gear, but I fail to see how this is in any way different from any other event ever.

And setups are also not a massive problem, I think the worst problem is firstly finding skilled players who can adhere to a certain strategy and not fuck up and secondly, finding that many of them. Gear and job selection aren't the real issues (unless we're talking about extremely casual players), as many people have many jobs leveled these days, and while exceptional gear may still be rare, "good enough" gear isn't. The quantity, quality and integrity of players is the crux in making this casual friendly. It's an event that requires a significant amount of cooperation of a large group, with preferably a static lineup of people who won't quit straight after obtaining what they came for.

Personally I've used several different weaponn DDs in legion, including 95 Rag, 95 Apoc, 90 Ukon, 99 h2h relic, 99 relic RNG, 99 Masa, 99 amano, OAT GS etc. And in general, Rag(not even 99 rag, just 95) has highest performance on top of able to 2hr zerg.

I did not ever once say that if you don't have X weapon you can't clear, there are groups who cleared without them yes. But you can't deny that certain weapon pulls way ahead of another, which is mainly because of enemy crit-hit%- and high evasion+def I believe, which just hurts crit-hit WS job or weapons without acc on them. If you do other event such as ADL/Nyzul/VW T3, the difference between every DD job/weapon wasn't even this big.

I fail to see why enemy crit-hit%- and that high evasion/def is needed in this event, it simply makes certain weapon stand out and that's it. It doesn't suddenly make this event "hard", or your DD suddenly more "elite"(a 95 rag isn't more elite than other weapon no?), it just make the gap between DD jobs even bigger.

As for legion specific gear set, generally I will ask SCH to have macc stun set+Impact(ideally need 500+ enhancing/healing/nuking too, but I'd be happy enough if they can stun), DDs for PDT- MDT- set, and will ask them to tweak TP set for more accuracy. I used to ask SMN to have capped or close to capped summoning magic skill too, but I don't really care anymore as SCH is the one stunning mostly and now I just ask for capped bloodpact delay-. For those ppl who is used to lower tier VW, stun set with macc, PDT-MDT- set and accuracy for DD is simply not needed. A lot of SMN also don't use Ramuh outside of legion. You can argue that PDT- MDT- set and accuracy every DD should have and not just legion DDs, doesn't mean everyone would be bother with them when you don't really need those in VW with fana/fool/temp.

And yes other event you'd still want "good gear", but it's not as hit or miss as in legion, thus more acceptable to use less optimal set. In VW a pt with "good DD" and "average DD" is the difference between 2 min kill and 5 min kill, but still kill regardless. In legion it's between clear wave 3 and get Gallu/Rex drop or no Gallu/Rex drop at all.

[Arcon]

Personally I've used several different weaponn DDs in legion, including 95 Rag, 95 Apoc, 90 Ukon, 99 h2h relic, 99 relic RNG, 99 Masa, 99 amano, OAT GS etc. And in general, Rag(not even 99 rag, just 95) has highest performance on top of able to 2hr zerg.

It's ahead of almost all others in any other event as well. It's simply a damn good weapon for one of strongest (if not the strongest) weapon skill in the game. Ragnarok DDs will out-damage most players in most events.

I fail to see why enemy crit-hit%- and that high evasion/def is needed in this event, it simply makes certain weapon stand out and that's it. It doesn't suddenly make this event "hard", or your DD suddenly more "elite"(a 95 rag isn't more elite than other weapon no?), it just make the gap between DD jobs even bigger.

I don't disagree with that, I don't know why they went for that.

As for legion specific gear set, generally I will ask SCH to have macc stun set+Impact(ideally need 500+ enhancing/healing/nuking too, but I'd be happy enough if they can stun), [..]

Enhancing I can understand, but is not necessary at all. Combined with Haste, the magical Haste cap will be reached with about ~420 Enhancing skill, which can be easily obtained by just using Light Arts and some gear. Any more Enhancing Magic skill is only good for Regain, which is rarely an issue unless you have a specific Store TP set for it and Regen, which is nice, but not make or break.

[..] DDs for PDT- MDT- set, and will ask them to tweak TP set for more accuracy.

The first part is only natural and DDs should have it for any endgame event. The latter is rarer outside of Legion, but it's also not excessively important with proper buffing (BRD and COR), no more than any melee should have anyway.

I used to ask SMN to have capped or close to capped summoning magic skill too, but I don't really care anymore as SCH is the one stunning mostly and now I just ask for capped bloodpact delay-. For those ppl who is used to lower tier VW, stun set with macc, PDT-MDT- set and accuracy for DD is simply not needed. A lot of SMN also don't use Ramuh outside of legion. You can argue that PDT- MDT- set and accuracy every DD should have and not just legion DDs, doesn't mean everyone would be bother with them when you don't really need those in VW with fana/fool/temp.

But that's the equivalent of saying that no event should require those things anymore, because VW didn't. VW was horrible designed in that regard, and the reliance on temp items to succeed was what many people hated about it, gameplay wise. I do still argue that you need the same gear for Legion as for any other endgame event, I simply don't consider "lower tier VW" to be an endgame event. Einherjar II, Limbus II, Nyzul Uncharted Area Survey all require good gear, so by that extension it's only normal to be prepared for it. When you said Legion-specific gear I thought you meant gear that's not useful outside of it, but all the things you mentioned would make people better all around, so everyone should at least try to obtain them (and some of them actually are easy and cheap to obtain, so there's hardly an excuse aside from not being bothered).

Regardless, like I said earlier, I do agree with your general sentiment, only I think number of players and reliable players are more of a bottleneck than event-specific gear.

[Afania]

Enhancing I can understand, but is not necessary at all. Combined with Haste, the magical Haste cap will be reached with about ~420 Enhancing skill, which can be easily obtained by just using Light Arts and some gear. Any more Enhancing Magic skill is only good for Regain, which is rarely an issue unless you have a specific Store TP set for it and Regen, which is nice, but not make or break.

That's why I said "ideally" and don't always ask for 500+. But really, any SCH that can stun I'm happy enough ._.

The first part is only natural and DDs should have it for any endgame event. The latter is rarer outside of Legion, but it's also not excessively important with proper buffing (BRD and COR), no more than any melee should have anyway.



But that's the equivalent of saying that no event should require those things anymore, because VW didn't. VW was horrible designed in that regard, and the reliance on temp items to succeed was what many people hated about it, gameplay wise. I do still argue that you need the same gear for Legion as for any other endgame event, I simply don't consider "lower tier VW" to be an endgame event. Einherjar II, Limbus II, Nyzul Uncharted Area Survey all require good gear, so by that extension it's only normal to be prepared for it. When you said Legion-specific gear I thought you meant gear that's not useful outside of it, but all the things you mentioned would make people better all around, so everyone should at least try to obtain them (and some of them actually are easy and cheap to obtain, so there's hardly an excuse aside from not being bothered).

I thought limbus2 is pretty easy, and no, Nyzul isle uncharted doesn't need it. NNI is more about movement speed and where you should go on every floor, voice chat and powder boots, less about dealing with NM super dangerous and high evasion. I honestly couldn't think of any other event besides legion that will need to prepare before entering, everything else you can just walk in with whatever you have and still win.

I typically have BRD SV acc song+2x attack song and lock SV so every acc song would have SV, that way COR can stay Chaos+fighters. However, I still seen enough none-rag DD that doesn't cap accuracy. In that regard, Rag is pretty failproof. Some of the gears such as acc or macc is just not needed everywhere else(acc may be needed in prov, but again, not everyone ever did prov or care about prov performance). Even if you think carrying it makes you better all around, but majority of player isn't going to be bother with it if other event you can win without those, especially when many player have multiple jobs nowaday and SCH DD SMN may just be one of them out of many.

If certain player doesn't want to bother with certain gear set just for legion because they can win every other event without them, I can't really give them lecture and ask them to "improve". Not everyone play the game to do work so they can win hardest event in this game. A lot of the time when I ask certain player to skill up/get gear for certain legion job or lv certain legion job, their first reply is that they're out and would rather not do it, even if the reward is something they may need.

Many other event, such as VW, Nyzul, dyna also offer reward that's not worse than legion, but requires less work on your skill level/gear sets. Thus there aren't much incentive for average players to do legion instead of dyna and Nyzul IMO.

Games have been pretty friendly to casual players for a while, stressing stuff like dealing with points and lotting rule, gather at set schedule every week, or work on skill/gear for event isn't for everyone, sadly.

[Kalifa]

Dont know where else to post this but was wondering if there was a suggestions box type thread to post in. Either way I wanted to point out that the dev team should probably work on fixing the existing areas when adding Seekers of Adoulin. Would be nice to have some HNMS drop different gear and maybe get lvl uped. or add missions to all areas especially Aht Urghan since last I checked nobody goes there except for NEO runs. They really need to bring the game back as a whole. well I said my peace