Stackable logs and ores

[Avina]

2 things wrong just off the bat, it would be 12 or 99 fold given the stacking sizes in current use, and the effect on the economy would be negligeble. You see, the time to gather the logs/ores would be the same, i.e. 12 or 99 times as long as it currently is, the only loss being the mandatory trip back to town to unburden yourself . Actually, the biggest effect on the economy would be a revival of the non-cooking/fishing crafts. The biggest danger to the economy would be a possible revival of the RMT woes we had years ago, but it can be hoped that with the drasticly reduced playerbase the RMT would simply overlook FFXI as not being sufficiently lucrative. After all, with most of the worthwhile gear being r/ex there simply isn't the RMT outlet given the ludicrous ease of play in most things now.

The subscription paying player base should not be saddled with the responsibility of fighting the RMT on Square-Enix's behalf. Square-Enix has taken this stance before by nerfing other legitimate means of farming gil through npcing items to "fight the RMT." But taking those routes--routes legitimate players use--instead turns into "Fight the Players." Because that's the effect that it has.

If Square-Enix were to stop fighting the RMT and focus on supporting the players, I think more players would be happy and less tempted to think to rely on RMT.

[Glamdring]

The subscription paying player base should not be saddled with the responsibility of fighting the RMT on Square-Enix's behalf. Square-Enix has taken this stance before by nerfing other legitimate means of farming gil through npcing items to "fight the RMT." But taking those routes--routes legitimate players use--instead turns into "Fight the Players." Because that's the effect that it has.

If Square-Enix were to stop fighting the RMT and focus on supporting the players, I think more players would be happy and less tempted to think to rely on RMT.

I think you miss my point. What I was saying is that with the current reduced number of players the fear that this might become RMT fodder was negligible. The market is just too small, and game play too easy that those who would choose a return to HELM aren't looking at deriving a significant income from it. In addition, gil isn't the issue it once was, so the market for buying gil is largely gone. Lastly, since end-game gear is almost exclusively dropped-not crafted-the main appeal to the increased materials is mostly to a few completionists who simply want to cap their crafting, not as a source of income. Back in the heyday of RMT ('04-'06) stacking would have been yet one more way to make the server economy hell, but the elements just aren't there now, and are not conducive to a return.

[Istabpeople]

Hello!

Whenever we plan out which gathering-type items should/should not be stackable we always need to consider how many items that a player could bring back home after one session. For example, if we changed logs or ores the number they could take home would increase ten-fold. Therefore we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy and be careful when considering such adjustments. With that in mind, we do not have plans to make these items stackable at this time.

No. Just.... no.

What this would ACTUALLY do is maybe make them worth selling as stacks on the auction house and encourage people to craft (especially those who maybe haven't done a craft yet and are put off because they simply don't have the space to start one up). Whereas right now these items are almost exclusively sold to NPCs with very few exceptions because they not only clog up your inventory, they also clog up your available auction house slots (which you've already said you won't be increasing).

In my opinion, this issue really needs to be rethought by the dev team. Because with all due respect I can see their point. However I don't feel that this will have anywhere near the impact on the economy that they do. I personally don't think this would affect the economy anymore than the way geodes are currently stackable. What I mean by that is that most people probably wont bother to collect full stacks and those that put singles on the AH currently will likely continue to do so and those that NPC them will likely continue to do the same. The benefit, like how stackable geodes 9 times out of 10 benefits those who collect them to use for trials rather than profit, is that stackable ores and logs would benefit crafters who need the space rather than those who sit on them until they get enough to sell a stack for profit.

Again, no disrespect to you guys with the community team... I'm not shooting the messenger, I just really think the logic behind this decision needs to be looked into a little further.

[Catmato]

Whenever we plan out which gathering-type items should/should not be stackable we always need to consider how many items that a player could bring back home after one session.

Are the devs so disillusioned and so far removed from they game that they actually believe this? No one is getting ores and logs from mining and logging; they come from VW and Abyssea. Logs and ores are junk drops and consolation prizes. A very large majority of these items are dropped, vendored, or simply never taken from boxes.

we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy

Sadly, this wasn't the case when Abyssea was released and items such as Jacaranda Log, Orichalcum Ore, and many, many others became junk drops. They flooded the market, lost nearly all of their value, and effectively killed HELM.

[Godofgods]

Hello!

Whenever we plan out which gathering-type items should/should not be stackable we always need to consider how many items that a player could bring back home after one session. For example, if we changed logs or ores the number they could take home would increase ten-fold. Therefore we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy and be careful when considering such adjustments. With that in mind, we do not have plans to make these items stackable at this time.

I usually try not to harp on the Dev team much because i know they have a lot going on. But this one just doesn't make any sense.

if we changed logs or ores the number they could take home would increase ten-fold. And? So i get to craft everything straight through, instead of buy a few, craft a few, buy a few more, craft a few more. Repeat. Repeat. I don't quite get that. If anything it would help move items on the AH faster.

In regards to other ppl trying to get the same item, Id rather fight over stacks (which i can use) rather then camp AH for single items. And if i get (for example) 3 ores, and cant get anymore, i have to deal with that -inventory. Other side is, supply amount would increase if stackable.

Therefore we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy. The effect is quite simple to see in this case. It would increase the economy. Tons of ppl refuse to put logs and ore on AH because of the room it takes up. They have other, more important (to them), items that need to go up instead. So they just npc them. Taking items out of circulation is not good for an economy.

If they stack, they can still be sold as singles, which means it wouldn't change anything for the worse. (since thats how it is sold now). But with stacks taking up less auction house space, you drastically increase the likeliness of sellers putting their goods on the AH instead of NPCing them. - More items on AH - More ppl able to buy - Economy grows - Win.

[SpankWustler]

Whenever we plan out which gathering-type items should/should not be stackable we always need to consider how many items that a player could bring back home after one session. For example, if we changed logs or ores the number they could take home would increase ten-fold. Therefore we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy and be careful when considering such adjustments. With that in mind, we do not have plans to make these items stackable at this time.

This response ignores a relatively new source for logs and ore. Voidwatch and events with a similar reward system to Voidwatch, a system which rewards players with innumerable logs and ore per every desired drop, are probably the main source of these materials now. Personally, I have gone from never selling a log to an NPC to selling almost a dozen of them every time I Watch a Void.

Unlike harvesting, it is generally not possible to participate in these activities while naked and be met with success. Many pick-up groups have tried this approach and failed, I'm sure.

This means inventory space is very limited, to perhaps ten spots at the most, and items such as logs and ore which do not stack are either sold to an NPC merchant or thrown away on the spot. These items never enter the player economy at all.

I can not speak for everyone, but if I could stack logs and ore, I would be much more likely to sell them to other players after collecting 12 rather than selling however many I did not throw away to Ghebi Damomohe just to clear my inventory.

[deces]

Hello!

Whenever we plan out which gathering-type items should/should not be stackable we always need to consider how many items that a player could bring back home after one session. For example, if we changed logs or ores the number they could take home would increase ten-fold. Therefore we need to consider all the effects this could have on the economy and be careful when considering such adjustments. With that in mind, we do not have plans to make these items stackable at this time.

Who the hell this a thumbs up?

[Waldrich]

Better says we hate our playerbase so much ; ;

or even...

Why you bother and do not give us ur money making a new mule.

[Sp1cyryan]

Better says we hate our playerbase so much ; ;

or even...

Why you bother and do not give us ur money making a new mule.

There is something seriously wrong with the section of the community (and perhaps society at large) that perpetually responds in a manner like this.

[Waldrich]

There is something seriously wrong with the section of the community (and perhaps society at large) that perpetually responds in a manner like this.

Yes, you........