shinryu proc

[Tile]

Just because you can't prove that something is wrong doesn't mean it's right.

[svengalis]

that's true

nope.
calling hint on dirty proc and not redoing it after never failed us.

Well you got lucky then. Just last night I got hint on dirty proc and it was the proc ws.

[svengalis]

POIDH!
nobody have posted pic on any forum of a spell/ws giving hint then procing (on the same mob, without the mob going passive)

Who's going to waste their time to do this on something that seldomly happens?

[svengalis]

Ah well my bad, forgot to add this at the end:

The "message or proc" rule works both in vw and abby; if it's the correct proc, you won't get a message.

nevermind.

[svengalis]

Again, this is not true. I used to think this after someone told me it was. I would go through all other ws sometimes twice cause I had gotten hint on a dirty proc which turned out to be the correct ws. I have 4 emp weapons 14+ 99 jobs with 5/5 +2 for most of them.

Misread what virren said ignore my last post.

[Alerith]

I can confirm that the trigger proc can cause a discernment message if it's dirty.

I had to trigger Red Lotus Blade because we got a hint of a Fire weaponskill weakness for red. Obviously, Red Lotus Blade is the only possible fire trigger for red.

I used RLB but Sharabha decided to start casting Stoneja at that time. RLB was dirty, but I still got the "The fiend appears to be vulnerable to Fire Elemental weaponskills!"

My next one was clean and caused the trigger.

[Fynlar]

I have had countless, COUNTLESS instances in Abyssea of using the correct ws but having it dirty, and not once has it ever produced a discernment message when that happens. Not ONCE. And I've seen several atmas drop from mobs without red procs, so I am no stranger to rare Abyssea happenings. So I am also calling POIDH here, tbh

For Voidwatch however, this is true, simply because in VW a spell cannot be dirty.

I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

[Llana_Virren]

I have had countless, COUNTLESS instances in Abyssea of using the correct ws but having it dirty, and not once has it ever produced a discernment message when that happens. Not ONCE. And I've seen several atmas drop from mobs without red procs, so I am no stranger to rare Abyssea happenings. So I am also calling POIDH here, tbh



I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

Same. You get 1) Proc, 2) Message, 3) Nothing (dirty); I really think some people don't pay attention and just go off of "recollection" during the 9M or so times they kill something in Abby, and their experience gets blurred in together.

[Arcon]

I'm pretty sure I've heard BLUs complain that their spells will not proc if the spell has an added effect which fails to land on the mob. I never like playing BLU in VW though so I can't cite any sort of personal experience there.

That is not what I meant by dirty, that's simply a missed spell. By "dirty" I meant while mob uses a TP move, is casting or stunned and hence, despite landing, the spell will not stagger a weakness.

I really think some people don't pay attention and just go off of "recollection" during the 9M or so times they kill something in Abby, and their experience gets blurred in together.

My words.

[detlef]

I've never seen the correct WS/spell give a discernment message in Abyssea. Can somebody post a screenshot? Doesn't have to be on this forum.

Also VW and Abyssea procs can't really be compared perfectly because VW procs constantly change. A weakness can be procced and be replaced by the same weakness immediately which can cause confusion.