Summoning magic skill-ups and the rate of which we are getting them.

[Kari]

Skilling up in general needs to be revamped. Again.
I don't mind this game having grinds, but the skill-up system for anything not-weapons has always been way too slow.
Sooo many people have resorted to botting skill-ups overnight, because doing it normally takes forever.

The rate at which we gain skill-ups makes absolutely no sense, when you compare to the rate that experience falls out of the sky.

[Arcon]

Skilling up in general needs to be revamped. Again.
I don't mind this game having grinds, but the skill-up system for anything not-weapons has always been way too slow.
Sooo many people have resorted to botting skill-ups overnight, because doing it normally takes forever.

You're not really wrong, but I can live with skilling from 0 to cap taking a few hours, which is the case for almost all magic skills (Enfeebling, Dark, Elemental, Healing and BRD skills). I did all of them on a mule in two days or so.

[Rambus]

You're not really wrong, but I can live with skilling from 0 to cap taking a few hours, which is the case for almost all magic skills (Enfeebling, Dark, Elemental, Healing and BRD skills). I did all of them on a mule in two days or so.

^ no, just no -.- I even did the sing while I wait for things to happen in jueno and that does not work anymore. I would say BS for all of that but I did not exactly put in effort into Enfeebling, Dark, and Elemental since those skills where a joke since level 80 and the fact I did not exactly get to play those jobs much when I returned. I have a BLM/WHM/SCH other charter that uses those skills but because i jam Threnodys for brd skills, he got a lot less attention with my farming and other things I was talking about for my return for 1 month now ( 3 weeks for the brd only kick)

Ok even with his low attention his elemental is close to cap but to level to 1-99 and capping that in 2 days from 0 skill? naaaa

btw 0-280 does not count as being capped, just because that is the skill point of being higher then 75. (0-280 was easy on brd, 281+ was/is freken hell)

[Arcon]

^ no, just no -.- I even did the sing while I wait for things to happen in jueno and that does not work anymore.

That has never worked, and that's not the proper way to skill. That's called wasting your time. You can skill all damage-dealing skills (all mentioned except the BRD skills) on worms in Abyssea (or skeletons, for Healing Magic). Only BRD skills require camp changes so you don't get full resists, but you can still do pretty large gaps (from 0 to ~100 on random lv50 worms, until ~200 on Hpemde in sea, then to cap on worms in Abyssea again). Offensive spells give skill-ups with a high frequently, and they all have spells with very fast casting and recast times (or enough spells to cycle). Set some macros up and spam them. It's very boring, but you can watch TV, work, study, play other games or w/e you do on the side.

[Rambus]

That has never worked, and that's not the proper way to skill. That's called wasting your time. You can skill all damage-dealing skills (all mentioned except the BRD skills) on worms in Abyssea (or skeletons, for Healing Magic). Only BRD skills require camp changes so you don't get full resists, but you can still do pretty large gaps (from 0 to ~100 on random lv50 worms, until ~200 on Hpemde in sea, then to cap on worms in Abyssea again). Offensive spells give skill-ups with a high frequently, and they all have spells with very fast casting and recast times (or enough spells to cycle). Set some macros up and spam them. It's very boring, but you can watch TV, work, study, play other games or w/e you do on the side.

no.................
not in 2 days you are not, no freakin way.
and I was skilling up in abyssea with 0 string skill and getting +.5s like every other song, i only went to sea because it was like 160? or so and guy wanted a break. I think i got it up to like 220 when we did abyssea more.

and healing skill I'm not even gonna try that, leveling it that way is stupid anyways. like others said about grinding SMN skill what is the point?

like i said before for songs 0-280 does not count as cap, 373 is, and after 280 it is very painful.

btw songs can resist and still get skill ups -.- pretty sure I got skill ups off no effect messages too.

[Mirage]

The point of leveling healing magic would be to pump out superior cures. You might have been away when it happened, but healing magic skill actually makes a difference now.

[Rambus]

Mine was capped as a 75 whm.. maybe.. I know i capped it as a 75 rdm so how does that change for sub?

he was talking about capping it in two days for a level 99 job not 49.

Anywaywas my point was why do i have to level it off undead for 48 straight hours? isn't that a bit counter productive on things you could be doing? I did not mean healing magic was worthless to skill. Meaning I was asking what is the point of griding it like that.

[Mirage]

Oh, with that, I agree.

Skillups for all skills should level up at a reasonable pace doing normal content, like they do for combat skills.

[Arcon]

no.................
not in 2 days you are not, no freakin way.

Like I said in an earlier post, I just made a new mule. I'll make a video of skilling it on her (if I remember) just to give you an idea of how quick skills are flying in. I wasn't exaggerating, a few hours are enough to cap it, and I don't mean 75 cap, but ~95 cap. It won't go entirely to 99 because mobs need to be DC or higher for that, so unless someone leveled them up, it'll only go to the ~95 area. But from there it's really not too difficult to skill anymore.

Anyway, you don't have to believe me, either try for yourself or wait for me to do it in the future when I'll post the video. The point is, it works extremely fast, completely incomparable to Summoning Magic skill-ups. I didn't know about resist skill-ups for songs, but if that's true it only makes things easier, it means you can start skilling it in Abyssea right away.

Anywaywas my point was why do i have to level it off undead for 48 straight hours?

On my PLD I got my healing skill from ~200 to ~90 cap (I'm not sure if it was at 90 cap or 95 cap back then) in four hours on undeads in Abyssea - Attohwa, without any skill-up food. Would work faster in Abyssea - Grauberg.

[Rambus]

Let me repeat myself.

I returned to the game a month ago.
in that first week i found out my ls could make use a good active brd and since i already had key +3 interments I took it upon myself to gear it ( no emp gear)

So I went from 90-99 starting skills was like 340ish singing/wind and 0 string.

So I got 99 and started to only use brd for all events, even for farming for emp gear.
After some farming for 2-3 days (first week of brd im talking about) i went 0-280 string pretty easliy and in the mist of that i went to sea for a bit as my farm help went afk, that was like 140-160, not sure to 220 or so.

Then after more farming, even before i had +2s I got around 280 skill. After seaing my skill go up so deadlfy slow i went to do merit pts.

While doing this i went to exp pts for merits for the sole base of leveling skill. I did two parties of getting 30 merits so that is 60 merits total for skill.

Then in those next two weeks of starting at 280 skill I still did VW events and other things and the skill up rate is still dead. I do not care about you bragging about getting cap skill for 90 or 95 for a brd that is a c+ skill anyway. Im talking how much a pain it was to level after 280.

and in those 3 weeks I STILL did not cap SINGING even when that was cap for level 80 or 85 or so? before i came back. and singing can skill up using wind or string. Also in the 3 weeks of playing brd only (kinda forgot to say this earlier) I still went to VW events and ended up getting some skills of bismark for string during my down time, he might of took me 10-50? fort string? do not remember.


skilling past 280 on brd is a huge pain, before that it is easy.

Add up all the exp i got in those 3 weeks while trying to skill up shall we?

I started with 6 points in int and 2 str, I now have 12 str and 11 int ( i forget what this would total)

I maxed a ws to 5, unlocked 3 others. with a random hp merit 6 to 7.

actually idk what that is but im sure it is over 100 merits.

oh and don't forget those 10 merits to unlock accessing the wss.

I do not care if you got cap for a 95, i am telling you getting cap to 99 is a pain as a brd after a point (0-280 easy, 281- cap is a pain)

You're video is not going to change what I experienced in the last 3 weeks or need to tell me a worm might give you a .XX after 10-20 Threnodies after 280 skill.