Summoning magic skill-ups and the rate of which we are getting them.

[Secondplanet]

Maybe your wife was lucky (lol) enough to be in slow and inefficient parties.

If inefficient you mean gets to know the job and skill up properly then yes, I've take jobs through ground tombs and was in parties in them burning through exp like no ones business and my skills showed for it by being subpar later on. People are trying to make the outside abyssea like abyssea by getting as much exp as possible and then complaining about the side effects. Don't rush a job you want to play, when the new jobs come out are you gonna burn those to the top and complain that its a crap job cause nothing works good?

[Mirage]

So, you actually are of the opinion that certain jobs should be punished for leveling up faster, while other jobs should not. Do you seriously not see a problem with this?

Either punish all jobs for leveling up rapidly, or punish none of them. If the status quo is to be kept, then you might as well just impose a heavy exp penalty on summoner. As crazy as that sounds, I have a feeling you might be ok with this too.

Either punish all jobs for leveling up rapidly, or punish none. It is as simple as that. No jobs should be discriminated against when it comes to skilling up their main skills.

Square Enix recently changed guard and parry skillups in a way that effectively increased the skill up rate by over 20 times, and I'm not even exaggerating now. I've gained more parry skillups in the last week than I would get in half a year before the change. In addition to that, there is martial mastery which further increases combat skill gain, but not magic skill gain. Despite these very significant changes, you still think it's fine to not change summoning skill ups at all. I have no idea why you are so adamantly opposed to equality in skill gain between different jobs.

[Secondplanet]

So, you actually are of the opinion that certain jobs should be punished for leveling up faster, while other jobs should not. Do you seriously not see a problem with this?

Either punish all jobs for leveling up rapidly, or punish none of them. If the status quo is to be kept, then you might as well just impose a heavy exp penalty on summoner. As crazy as that sounds, I have a feeling you might be ok with this too.

Either punish all jobs for leveling up rapidly, or punish none. It is as simple as that. No jobs should be discriminated against when it comes to skilling up their main skills.

Care to show where i said i agree to punishment to summoner? As summoner you can still get skill ups in abyssea using the magic bloodpact, If you were using physical attacks with that skill you can't hit anything, Should SE give a bonus to melee cause they can't hit anything that is over 200skill points higher then their skill? If i was to burn war up to 99 should my attacks all hit so i can skill up once i get to the lvl, i would have to step back and level from the zones meant for my skills.

Summoners and other mage jobs get it easy by being able to get skill up cause magic almost always connects if not in one form then another. Thats our bonus for skill up.

I'm not saying in anyway jobs need to be punished for anything except sheer laziness in learning/leveling a job.

[Mirage]

Yes, I can show you where.

You are saying summoner should not be leveled rapidly, because you shouldn't outlevel your skill level. Other jobs, however, can do this without any problems, because catching up on underleveled skills is extremely much faster for other jobs than it is for summoner. If one job requires weeks to catch up on skill after rapid leveling, while another job requires one day, one of these jobs is punished for leveling up rapidly. I am sure you can guess which.

By the way, it took me 8 hours to level archery from 20 to 300 after I had burned rng to 99 (I used marksmanship cause i already had that leveled). Playing summoner for 8 hours gets me maybe a 2-4 skill points. Archery is one of the slowest weapon skills to level up, yet it is still nearly 100 times faster than summoning.

Why are you bringing "learning" into this discussion? No one is talking about what the player knows about the job. You don't know anything about how well I play summoner. For all you know, I could have had summoner with capped skill on a different character that got hacked/stolen/banned.

And no, there is no need for SE to make it possible for melees to skill from 200 below cap inside abyssea, because this is easily doable already. Just equip cloak & dagger, razed ruin, and a regen atma, put on all the acc and skill gear you can find, then find the lowest level mobs in there, and you'll have no problems hitting stuff. If you do it on mnk or war, you can use focus or aggressor as well for even more accuracy. If you sub dancer, you even get the accuracy bonus trait.

[Secondplanet]

Playing summoner for 8 hours gets me maybe a 2-4 skill points.

What are you trying to skill up on, rabbits outside of sandy? I can be fighting decent prey mobs and i can easily get .3-.5's like rain when i was doing staff trials and general help. Only getting 2-4 levels is a laugh, i can get about 20levels in 8 hours without even trying. In one day after i got my 99 cap i got 40 levels of summoning magic in about 3 hours again without trying cause the difference in levels was there to skill on and i was even getting robbed of attacks cause the mob would die before the attack was used by overpowered melee.

There is nothing wrong with summoning magic skill up except and only except we can only use our bloodpacts a min of 45 seconds, but you can still use 2 in the window so its not a big deal.

[Mirage]

While a melee can use 20 attacks in the same 45 seconds, and have skillup chances one every one of them.

You said "except and only except" that you can't use BP more than twice every 45 seconds. If you actually read my posts, you'd see that this is one of the main problems I think there is with it. Not getting skill from things that are way outside of your skill range is fine. Only having two chances to get skill every 45 seconds is not, because every other job has 10 times as many chances to get skill in 45 seconds (even great axes and scythe, because you can retaliation/counterstance and attack mnk mobs). This is also why I suggested that melee hits performed by avatars should also have a chance to skill up. It wouldn't even have to be at as high a rate as BPs gave skill, as long as the chance was actually there.

And no, usually it is things that check EP-DC for me. Same as I usually target when i skill up other things.

[Secondplanet]

there has been a fair number of people who tried to help you and others with this problem you all believe you have but you just keep falling back onto this boo ho melee skill up faster then me. Once you get to know the job you'll understand the more important problem we face, and to save you time trying to find out i'll tell you.

Summoners will always be held back in the name of balance, look at every response SE gives us, they can't raise avatars attack power cause it would break balance, our buffs can't be made more powerful because it would break balance (yes i know they are talking about raising the effects but we'll see) Perfect Defense is getting nerfed cause it breaks balance. You see where this is going, we're stuck at lvl 75 even though we're 99 and no new attacks, that's the real problem. Not skill ups.

[Mirage]

Now you are trying to shift the focus away from the topic, and instead attempt to ridicule me by implying that I do not know enough about the summoner job. There are several other posters in this thread who are undoubtly very good summoners, and with more summoning skill than I have, that still think summoning skillups should be faster, so me not being a {Veteran} summoner is of no significance.

Please stay on topic. If you don't have a logical argument for keeping summoning magic skillup a lot slower than other skills, perhaps you should just stop replying.

Let's try again: Guard and parry used to be the slowest skills in the game to level up. Recently, skillup speed was increased by a lot. What is your reasoning for not letting summoning magic get an increase in skillup speed, like the two aforementioned skills got?

[Annalise]

I leveled summoner after the bloodpact :rage/ward split and pacts giving skill. I also was close to cap the entire way. I capped it quickly and easily for the most part each time the level cap increased as well. Perhaps I have good luck, you have awful luck, or both.

I always felt puppetmaster was more of a pain to skill than summoner, though. I don't know that I'd say summoner is the worst. Though Percolator now helps a tremendous amount.

[Mirage]

I do not have any experience with puppetmaster, so I wouldn't know if it is worse or easier. If it is indeed worse, then my sympathies are with you.