Canceling my Account

[Demon6324236]

Cruor covers the cost of Rubicund should you use them, as NMs normally give 15k+ cruor. Cruor exchange rate for cruor>gil is 2.595 gil for 1 cruor. Doing the math you can see that 15k cruor is roughly 40k Gil. That means in a single kill you make back most of a stack of Rubicund Cells in worth. Now when you factor in the fact your using 18 per run of 6 kills, at 50k a stack, that becomes 75k total, and in 2 kills you make back the gil. The other 4 kills are pure profit, with or without plates and without counting in other drops that you NPC or sell on the Auction House. So really plates have nothing to do with making up the cost of Rubicund in my opinion.

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Lamorak has a high-value rare, which is both worth spamming him for and would not be nearly as high-value (just like plates, go figure!) were it not as rare.

I think good items would still be highly valued if they are good gear, such as these feet. If they were not good, why would people bother in the 1st place? I don't know, maybe I just misunderstood what you meant here but reading this made no sense at all to me. Its not like you can sell the boots, and its not like their value drops if you get them easier, they are still just as good either way, so just as valuable.

As for being limited on stones, this is why dust exists, and if you go back to the math I gave before, 4 kills were pure profit remember? Now those last 4 are roughly 160k when the cruor is converted into gil, now, dusts are 20~25k each, so even at 6 kills buying 1 dust per kill for the 6 stones you end up with paying at most about 150k. This leaves 10k profit before item drops. So really limited stones, rubicund, warp costs, and all that, are covered by ones cruor gain each fight, leaving drops such as plates to be pure profit. This is why I said people do those runs for money as well, not to mention Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil have seemingly higher drop rates on singles than Zilart does on pouches. I myself goto these parties for money because I know for a fact they are profitable to me no matter what I walk away with.

[scaevola]

As for being limited on stones, this is why dust exists, and if you go back to the math I gave before, 4 kills were pure profit remember? Now those last 4 are roughly 160k when the cruor is converted into gil, now, dusts are 20~25k each, so even at 6 kills buying 1 dust per kill for the 6 stones you end up with paying at most about 150k. This leaves 10k profit before item drops. So really limited stones, rubicund, warp costs, and all that, are covered by ones cruor gain each fight, leaving drops such as plates to be pure profit. This is why I said people do those runs for money as well, not to mention Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil have seemingly higher drop rates on singles than Zilart does on pouches. I myself goto these parties for money because I know for a fact they are profitable to me no matter what I walk away with.

Your entire post presupposes people do Voidwatch with the understanding that they'll break even financially. Were that the case, people would stop doing it even faster.

Listen closely: people do Voidwatch to make money. That's it. The fact that some rare/ex drops that come out of it are best in slot or close to it is nice, and might influence targeting in some universe where pouches/cinders/dross are spread across more mobs, but everyone other than an extremely unbalanced minority that will just die if they can't get an Athos Tabard, for real! is not there for the jackpots.

[Demon6324236]

What I'm saying is no matter if you spend money on both cells & dust you walk away even or with small profit. Adding plates on top of that with junk items and you get profit no matter how you look at it, and thats why it would give people more reason to join more shouts. As I showed you, no matter what, you break even if nothing else, so are you really telling me that you would completely ignore a shout for a NM which you have all drops for if it dropped plates as well? Say for instance, you see a shout for Kaggen, however you have all his drops, wouldn't you join knowing you definitely lose no money in going, including buying cells & dust, and you can walk away with more money if you get plates or even a cell?

I have no want for any items from Qilin. When I join Qilin shouts I expect no pouches. I get 20k cruor or so a fight (more like 21~23k if a THF is present) this 20k is equal to 51.9k gil. Take out the worth of my cells, that leaves about 40k, take out another 20k for the dust, thats 20k remaining. I do VW for money yes, but its for that reason that even by ignoring drops entirely I know I am making profit. Each Qilin is 20k to me, with or without a single pouch.

In the idea of raising drop rates for gear however, placing plates on the NMs should in theory work just as well because it means people can also do them for profit, making it easier to gather parties, and easier to obtain the gear regardless of the drop rate.

[MarkovChain]

No the AH ranking is used to show what a player has accomplished in terms of experiences.

The AH ranking is a pile of nonsense ; everyone knows it does't reflect gear quality such as maxed out weapons or last pieces of equipement (some don't show). It's just a way for them to rack money out of you. It was much better at 75.

[Demon6324236]

Not sure how it has anything to do with money, but in either case he is partially correct. The ranks are not effected by gear, rather they are effected by job levels, craft levels, mission progression, key items, and some other stuff, along with R/M/Es. All in all nothing that says you are a better player, if anything it just shows you have spent more time on a few specific things.

[scaevola]

The AH thing was only mentioned because the recent jump of a couple dozen ranks or so most people are seeing suggested (to the person who brought it up) that a bunch of people are quitting the game. Byrth explained why that's wrong. Let it go.

[Camiie]

Your entire post presupposes people do Voidwatch with the understanding that they'll break even financially. Were that the case, people would stop doing it even faster.

Listen closely: people do Voidwatch to make money. That's it. The fact that some rare/ex drops that come out of it are best in slot or close to it is nice, and might influence targeting in some universe where pouches/cinders/dross are spread across more mobs, but everyone other than an extremely unbalanced minority that will just die if they can't get an Athos Tabard, for real! is not there for the jackpots.

I guess I'm the weird one then. I'm mainly after gear upgrades when I do VW, since besides the AH it's pretty much my only realistic option at the moment. Am I after gil? Sure I am! I did just mention the AH. Is that my number one reason for going? Not exactly.

[Winrie]

I gave up on rubi cells and voidwatch after 400 some odd pils and no boots or harness w

[Camiie]

I gave up on rubi cells and voidwatch after 400 some odd pils and no boots or harness w

Yeah, I've quit buying them too. They really don't seem to do much. I guess that their actual purpose is for situations where a group thinks that it won't be able to cap lights under normal methods. That's not a situation that comes up much though. They might be handy for someone low-manning with displacers maybe? Otherwise, they seem to be nothing more than a placebo/curor sink.

[Sarick]

The AH ranking is a pile of nonsense ; everyone knows it does't reflect gear quality such as maxed out weapons or last pieces of equipement (some don't show). It's just a way for them to rack money out of you. It was much better at 75.

Obviously, the OP of this topic didn't get viewed publicly in the ranking system by anyone.

I suppose some people just can't see beyond one or two moves in chess. Since that's the case maybe they're right about rankings. I on the other have used them to see where I'm at quest, mission etc. in rank comparison to my piers. These don't need to prove OMG I'm fun'ken bad or how good player I am, it just needs to show you how much has been accomplished.

This is hard to explain to people if they lack the ability to look past the last time they achieved something that took several days or weeks to complete. It amounts to what WE'VE done and OUR experiences. It's a personal opinion if all those things are worthless. Start a new level one character without any help whatsoever, then complete all the crap you have currently progressed to and get that useless ranking.

Tell me just how long it takes to get that ranking back up. I assure you it won't be a couple of days unless you've never accomplished enough to matter. If that doesn't mean anything I sternly say that's right in ones own belief. Just remember this, people who can't see the value in their achievements lack the personal values/morale to see and respect the achievements of others.

I see these people are often the first to look down on others when they fail to see the accomplishments made by themselves. IMHO, It's very selfish to look at someone and say rankings are worthless when some players have been playing over eight years. It's like showing your resume to an employer that just throws it in the trash and says next. So much for your accomplishments.

On a final note gear isn't the only side of this game. There are also a social aspects along side the missions, quest, and crafting achievements. If people can't see or respect the whole picture then in my mind they aren't worth acknowledging as a pier. It's just that simple. Why?, because I recognize the blood sweat and tiers it took to earn some of those achievements. Those are our resumes they don't mean we're good but they do show most of what we've done.

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It's just a way for them to rack money out of you.

For the record dispute you're well versed understanding I haven't paid guild portal or the FFXI ah a single penny to be in the rankings. This stuff is free if you set it up right because the info is part of the FFXI community. The rankings are created from that info off the community site and you don't need a 3rd party subscription.