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[Demon6324236]

We aren't talking about whether you could do voidwatch at all, we're talking about whether you could do any voidwatch other than qilin.

Ill come back to this in a minute.

supergrindy empyrean weapons, and the fact that you need to redo the AF3+2 grind every time you want to level a new job

also we like money

right?

Like I said, rewards you don't have to bang your head against the wall to get. Emps & AF3+2 both have decent drop rates, and though they may be grindy it isn't as bad because you always get something for your trouble with Emps, and +2s have a high drop rate with TH or proc, and very high with both, not to mention each +2 has a NM which drops 1 100% of the time, and up to 3 total. I think this is why people like Abyssea, you got something when you tried, there was not alot of cock-blocking random drops to get in the way of what you were after. You simply needed to work on something to obtain it, rather than VW where you fight hundreds of times with no progress toward your rewards at all, you have the same chance after 100 fights, as someone who is just fighting the NM their 1st time.

ok aces but this has anything to do with the actual gear drop rates (which is what everybody was actually talking about) because ______

Again, Ill come back to this in just a second.

i got a ganesha's mala a couple months ago

guess how much i want to join hahava shouts to help other people get ganesha's mala

guess how much that would change if i'd gotten the mala on the first kill rather than the 50th

Ok now all of the things I put off in 1 shot. By adding plate drops to NMs with R/EX gear drops such as Hahava would give you just such a reason to redo that NM. As you said, you have no incentive to do Hahava right now, thats because there are no rewards you can really get from it, however if they added plates, or something worth money besides a pulse cell you have nearly no chance of getting, you would probably think about doing it.

Qilin is spammed because its a easy ass NM which has a potential for good money/plate drops. Were they to give drops to other NMs, you also may see a wider verity. As for right now the only Kaggen, Akvan, Pil, & Qilin, are really spammed, because of Plates & Bodies. The main reason for Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil are gear, however they normally seem to fill nicely, this is because the single plate drops, while not being the best, are still good rewards, and are worth the time to join.

All in all it would help overall for a good reason. Making drop rates higher or adding drops to make the parties easier to gather, both are good solutions because of 1 main reason. Parties would get members quicker, meaning more time you can fight the NM, and less time spent shouting. The 2nd reason is everyone has a chance at these other rewards, such as plates. If you are spamming Lancing Lamorak for instance, everyone is getting plates, which means more people are likely to join, and you yourself are getting plates even when not getting your Athos Boots, everyone wins, parties fill faster, and you will get your gear sooner, and easier.

[scaevola]

Emps & AF3+2 both have decent drop rates, and though they may be grindy it isn't as bad because you always get something for your trouble with Emps, and +2s have a high drop rate with TH or proc, and very high with both, not to mention each +2 has a NM which drops 1 100% of the time, and up to 3 total. I think this is why people like Abyssea, you got something when you tried, there was not alot of cock-blocking random drops to get in the way of what you were after. You simply needed to work on something to obtain it, rather than VW where you fight hundreds of times with no progress toward your rewards at all, you have the same chance after 100 fights, as someone who is just fighting the NM their 1st time.

No, you missed the point. If I decide to play, say, DRG tomorrow, I will go back to Abyssea to make AF3+2 despite not having spent any meaningful time in there for months. It has nothing to do with how easy it is to actually get that AF3+2, and everything to do with the AF3+2 I've already made contributing nothing to my DRG beyond putatively helping me get more of it.

Ok now all of the things I put off in 1 shot. By adding plate drops to NMs with R/EX gear drops such as Hahava would give you just such a reason to redo that NM. As you said, you have no incentive to do Hahava right now, thats because there are no rewards you can really get from it, however if they added plates, or something worth money besides a pulse cell you have nearly no chance of getting, you would probably think about doing it.

No. Because I have limited stones, I will keep going to Qilin, Ig-Alima/Botulus, or any other VWNM from which I actually need drops (which, in my case, is basically just Lancing Lamorak). You will need to put pouches on every single VWNM for that to work, and all that will do is crash the price of plates to the point where nobody's going to bother using rubicund at all.

Qilin is spammed because its a easy ass NM which has a potential for good money/plate drops. Were they to give drops to other NMs, you also may see a wider verity. As for right now the only Kaggen, Akvan, Pil, & Qilin, are really spammed, because of Plates & Bodies. The main reason for Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil are gear, however they normally seem to fill nicely, this is because the single plate drops, while not being the best, are still good rewards, and are worth the time to join.

no, they're done for the bodies, though once the run starts coming together people tag along because it's something to do. plates are just a decent way to recoup rubicund costs if you happen to be lucky enough to get them.

All in all it would help overall for a good reason. Making drop rates higher or adding drops to make the parties easier to gather, both are good solutions because of 1 main reason. Parties would get members quicker, meaning more time you can fight the NM, and less time spent shouting. The 2nd reason is everyone has a chance at these other rewards, such as plates.

While I will be the first to say plates need to be more common, let us not kid ourselves into thinking doing so would benefit the pocketbook of anyone other than the people actually trying to make 95 empyreans.

If you are spamming Lancing Lamorak for instance, everyone is getting plates, which means more people are likely to join, and you yourself are getting plates even when not getting your Athos Boots, everyone wins, parties fill faster, and you will get your gear sooner, and easier.

Bad example. Lamorak has a high-value rare, which is both worth spamming him for and would not be nearly as high-value (just like plates, go figure!) were it not as rare.

[Demon6324236]

Cruor covers the cost of Rubicund should you use them, as NMs normally give 15k+ cruor. Cruor exchange rate for cruor>gil is 2.595 gil for 1 cruor. Doing the math you can see that 15k cruor is roughly 40k Gil. That means in a single kill you make back most of a stack of Rubicund Cells in worth. Now when you factor in the fact your using 18 per run of 6 kills, at 50k a stack, that becomes 75k total, and in 2 kills you make back the gil. The other 4 kills are pure profit, with or without plates and without counting in other drops that you NPC or sell on the Auction House. So really plates have nothing to do with making up the cost of Rubicund in my opinion.

As for

Lamorak has a high-value rare, which is both worth spamming him for and would not be nearly as high-value (just like plates, go figure!) were it not as rare.

I think good items would still be highly valued if they are good gear, such as these feet. If they were not good, why would people bother in the 1st place? I don't know, maybe I just misunderstood what you meant here but reading this made no sense at all to me. Its not like you can sell the boots, and its not like their value drops if you get them easier, they are still just as good either way, so just as valuable.

As for being limited on stones, this is why dust exists, and if you go back to the math I gave before, 4 kills were pure profit remember? Now those last 4 are roughly 160k when the cruor is converted into gil, now, dusts are 20~25k each, so even at 6 kills buying 1 dust per kill for the 6 stones you end up with paying at most about 150k. This leaves 10k profit before item drops. So really limited stones, rubicund, warp costs, and all that, are covered by ones cruor gain each fight, leaving drops such as plates to be pure profit. This is why I said people do those runs for money as well, not to mention Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil have seemingly higher drop rates on singles than Zilart does on pouches. I myself goto these parties for money because I know for a fact they are profitable to me no matter what I walk away with.

[scaevola]

As for being limited on stones, this is why dust exists, and if you go back to the math I gave before, 4 kills were pure profit remember? Now those last 4 are roughly 160k when the cruor is converted into gil, now, dusts are 20~25k each, so even at 6 kills buying 1 dust per kill for the 6 stones you end up with paying at most about 150k. This leaves 10k profit before item drops. So really limited stones, rubicund, warp costs, and all that, are covered by ones cruor gain each fight, leaving drops such as plates to be pure profit. This is why I said people do those runs for money as well, not to mention Kaggen, Akvan, and Pil have seemingly higher drop rates on singles than Zilart does on pouches. I myself goto these parties for money because I know for a fact they are profitable to me no matter what I walk away with.

Your entire post presupposes people do Voidwatch with the understanding that they'll break even financially. Were that the case, people would stop doing it even faster.

Listen closely: people do Voidwatch to make money. That's it. The fact that some rare/ex drops that come out of it are best in slot or close to it is nice, and might influence targeting in some universe where pouches/cinders/dross are spread across more mobs, but everyone other than an extremely unbalanced minority that will just die if they can't get an Athos Tabard, for real! is not there for the jackpots.

[Camiie]

Your entire post presupposes people do Voidwatch with the understanding that they'll break even financially. Were that the case, people would stop doing it even faster.

Listen closely: people do Voidwatch to make money. That's it. The fact that some rare/ex drops that come out of it are best in slot or close to it is nice, and might influence targeting in some universe where pouches/cinders/dross are spread across more mobs, but everyone other than an extremely unbalanced minority that will just die if they can't get an Athos Tabard, for real! is not there for the jackpots.

I guess I'm the weird one then. I'm mainly after gear upgrades when I do VW, since besides the AH it's pretty much my only realistic option at the moment. Am I after gil? Sure I am! I did just mention the AH. Is that my number one reason for going? Not exactly.

[Demon6324236]

What I'm saying is no matter if you spend money on both cells & dust you walk away even or with small profit. Adding plates on top of that with junk items and you get profit no matter how you look at it, and thats why it would give people more reason to join more shouts. As I showed you, no matter what, you break even if nothing else, so are you really telling me that you would completely ignore a shout for a NM which you have all drops for if it dropped plates as well? Say for instance, you see a shout for Kaggen, however you have all his drops, wouldn't you join knowing you definitely lose no money in going, including buying cells & dust, and you can walk away with more money if you get plates or even a cell?

I have no want for any items from Qilin. When I join Qilin shouts I expect no pouches. I get 20k cruor or so a fight (more like 21~23k if a THF is present) this 20k is equal to 51.9k gil. Take out the worth of my cells, that leaves about 40k, take out another 20k for the dust, thats 20k remaining. I do VW for money yes, but its for that reason that even by ignoring drops entirely I know I am making profit. Each Qilin is 20k to me, with or without a single pouch.

In the idea of raising drop rates for gear however, placing plates on the NMs should in theory work just as well because it means people can also do them for profit, making it easier to gather parties, and easier to obtain the gear regardless of the drop rate.

[Demon6324236]

Not sure how it has anything to do with money, but in either case he is partially correct. The ranks are not effected by gear, rather they are effected by job levels, craft levels, mission progression, key items, and some other stuff, along with R/M/Es. All in all nothing that says you are a better player, if anything it just shows you have spent more time on a few specific things.

[scaevola]

The AH thing was only mentioned because the recent jump of a couple dozen ranks or so most people are seeing suggested (to the person who brought it up) that a bunch of people are quitting the game. Byrth explained why that's wrong. Let it go.

[Sarick]

The AH thing was only mentioned because the recent jump of a couple dozen ranks or so most people are seeing suggested (to the person who brought it up) that a bunch of people are quitting the game. Byrth explained why that's wrong. Let it go.

NO, my saying the ranks drops meant that SOMETHING was up. I did list a few possible examples but, they where in not intended to be the only possible reasons. Hopefully this is a good enough explanation of that comment.

Again..

I haven't paid guild portal or the FFXI ah a single penny to be in the rankings.

I recognized the huge change in rankings, I think wish made an argument that guild portal payment rounds started. Since I don't pay for those that explanation can't be 100% accurate as to why the ranking changed so rapidly. On the other hand if players quit or get ban the community site stops showing that data. Does the ranking for them disappear to? I'm still about the same ranking as I was when I noticed the huge change. I did go back and check my old UNICORN info. It's still listed just no rankings. Questions questions to think about.

If it's because billing rollovers on FFXI why hasn't the ranking reverted? Something caused this you'd need to be totally blind to ignore it completely. I pointed this change out because it didn't seem normal. Now does the players ranking get removed if the community site deletes the players? If it does remove inactive, ban, or canceled accounts from the ranking it may still hold some relevance.

[scaevola]

NO, my saying the ranks drops meant that SOMETHING was up. I did list a few possible examples but, they where in not intended to be the only possible reasons. Hopefully this is a good enough explanation of that comment.

Byrth is referring to people who paid for GW services and then stopped paying. They got purged, because their AH profiles were derived from the GW accounts they no longer have, rather than the LS Community Site. They are still playing FFXI. I know some of them. You and I never paid for GW services (and thus our profiles are supported by community site info), so we're still there.

This isn't hard.