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    Quote Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan View Post
    I think a lot of people are out of touch with reasoning, common sense, and even patience.
    Perhaps we all are to a degree (I'm sure I am), but you've got to be kidding if you think 1500-3000 Heavy Metal Plates and 5x 18,000,000 gil Umbral Marrows are "no problem."

    And Nyzul? My friends and I loved the original. This new version is awful. A group of casuals may be able to hit Floor 40-60, but that junk is inferior to what can be gained from Abyssea. At the very least, the assault tags need to be gained via Imperial Standing or Gil for this, not 24 Earth hours.
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    20~21 Floor Jumps in NNI and still not reaching 100 because SE trolls at the last moment and lands us on 98 or 99 is pretty retarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasticleg View Post
    Don't use the server ranking from FFXIAH for anything except a quick giggle. IIRC, a pretty terrible RMT used to be number 1.

    But back on-topic, SE only bans dupes, speed hacks, fishbots, and RMTs who are dumb enough to trade millions through players over a short period of time. To be honest, most people who already have their weapons to 99 (lolaftermath), are not going to stay active until SoA expansion releases sometime next year. SE is extremely out-of-touche with a lot of players, the OP just seems to be one of them.

    It's also more that they are crying about well-known shitty events, and ragequitting because of them. lol
    Prove it. Back your comments up with something other then personal opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarick View Post
    Prove it. Back your comments up with something other then personal opinion.
    You're trolling me as hard as Celaeno trolls me.
    Try again, no one cares about FFXIAH rankings (sans you).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leonardus View Post
    Perhaps we all are to a degree (I'm sure I am), but you've got to be kidding if you think 1500-3000 Heavy Metal Plates and 5x 18,000,000 gil Umbral Marrows are "no problem."

    And Nyzul? My friends and I loved the original. This new version is awful. A group of casuals may be able to hit Floor 40-60, but that junk is inferior to what can be gained from Abyssea. At the very least, the assault tags need to be gained via Imperial Standing or Gil for this, not 24 Earth hours.
    The plates are not hard to get, they just take time. Just like a relic takes time to make. Especially if you do not buy a lot of the items required. Considering some emperians such as Masamune are typically better than their Relic variety it is not a crazy trial especially considering by level 90 you already have a good weapon.

    Marrow prices are set by players. There are LSs full of average players who get multiple a run and the word on the steet is up to nine in a run. So almost two people got 99 in a single night. It must be the end of the world that in two hours the whole LS did not finish. On Asura the marrows are 12m too.

    It depends how "casual" these "casuals" are. There are plenty of people who are casual and can win from hard work and intelligent gearing. There are also people who play for a good amount of hours most of the days in the week who are worse geared and skilled than casuals. You can not liberally use the word around and count an entire group out. It is an event that takes serious team work, skill, and communication.
    Not walking around on BST with full +1 gear watching your pet solo something like it can in most other areas in the game. Not everything in the game can be geared towards casual players anyway, but casual players are very capable of doing Nyzul. It depends more on the person than it does how much time they can actually play on average. Nyzul is not won by a bunch of basement dwellers eating Cheetos and Ramen at their grandmothers all day and night. It is not won by the typical caliber and skill of the people you seem to find in every single pick up ground nowadays either.

    I really don't see the problem with a tag a day considering you can hold up to 4 or 5 of them at a time. You can't even enter dynamis, limbus, einherjar, etc more than once a day or every few days for a single run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasticleg View Post
    Don't use the server ranking from FFXIAH for anything except a quick giggle. IIRC, a pretty terrible RMT used to be number 1.
    It's indicates that many accounts are going inactive, which the point that person was trying to make.
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    Quote Originally Posted by detlef View Post
    It's indicates that many accounts are going inactive, which the point that person was trying to make.
    Cheer, Cheer, this was said by Square Enix themselves in their corporate philosophy:

    To spread happiness across the globe by providing unforgettable experiences

    This philosophy represents our company's mission and the beliefs for which we stand.

    Each of our customers has his or her own definition of happiness. Square Enix provides high-quality content, services, and products to help those customers create their own wonderful, unforgettable experiences, thereby allowing them to discover a happiness all their own.

    I think that this person deserves to speak their mind without lame duck attempts to hide how they feel. These rankings do matter if players are going inactive. Attempts to cover up complaints only show how desperate things have gotten for sycophants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plasticleg View Post
    Try again, no one cares about FFXIAH rankings (sans you).
    Again with the personal opinion based comments. You still haven't even tried to back up anything you've said. I gave several useful links to FFXI related sites. Please post something more then an opinion. The quote is 100% personal opinion you obviously don't speak for everyone.
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    I love how every problem is always pushed to "hardcore""elite", as if the game is easily beatable by anyone and everyone, FFXI will have more subscribers than WoW and every server will filled up with 3k players a night. But in fact nobody can really come up with a convincing reason regarding this matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarick View Post
    My server ranking went up/down over 100pts in under 3 days. It was 377 now it's 262. If you think this is normal whoosh.

    Either a lot of higher ranking players are getting BAN or they're quitting.

    Use some judgement after reading this players post.
    Based on your info and use my judgement, the one who quit aren't "causals", but hardcores with higher server rank and probably run out of things to do in this game



    Quote Originally Posted by Danita View Post
    For casual players (me), here's what end-game looks like:

    Einherjar - Inaccessable. Requires too many people. Unlike Japan, the US has to deal with 3hr time zone differences between friends, so getting 18 people together just isn't viable for casuals, especially on some kind of regular schedule. I have all feathers up to tier three from doing this with a handful of people, but it gets too hard to low-man after that.

    Legion - Inaccessable. Not only does this take a lot of people, but they need to be elite. I may never know what the inside of a legion zone looks like.

    Abyssea - Perfect. Can show up with any group size, accomplish minor goals, make progress on major goals, get exp/gil. This is literally the only reason I have been playing; there is always something to do and it's always interesting.

    Dynamis - Very good. The mandatory JA procs and reliance on TH makes this boring since only a tiny selection of jobs meet both requirements, but the event scales nicely with small groups and the reward system is acceptable. Magic procs should happen at the same rate as JA procs, and WS procs should have the highest rate (10% chance per time stat). The Arch NM's are all impossible for casuals, but there is enough reward available without doing those.

    Magian Weapon Trials - Good. It's nice that you can do this at your own pace, but some trials are needlessly boring. Weather trials were reduced drastically to combat this, which was good, but the same treatment needs to happen for "Killing Blow" trials and other similar things. For example, I can't bring myself to keep working on my 100TP Great Katana because I have already finished three trials by doing six hundred weaponskills (bored to death while doing it), yet I am left with a requirement for two thousand more. Without this weapon I'm unable to play my SAM in events. The result is I don't play my SAM any more, and it's depressing.

    Limbus - Mediocre. If I could do Limbus daily, I would farm my own coins and get AF+1 things in the process, plus get chips for the original U/O fights. But I can only do this two times per week, and that means I can't afford to waste an opportunity to do the new Arch-U/O content requirements. The result is that I farm Dynamis for money to buy 75 or 150 Ancient Beastcoins from other people. The time restriction has turned a once fun and rewarding event into a money-sink that I want to put behind me as soon as we finish getting gear form the bosses.

    VoidWatch - Mediocre. The event is generally well designed and fun. The ability to teleport around Vanadiel is great! The reward system, however, is infuriating. For example: My girlfriend got Ace's Mail on her first fight. It's on her Mannequin (she can't use it). She wanted to make it into a Pulse: Cell and give it to me, but then I would only have 1/5 of an Ace's Mail. While there is a chance she might someday use her mail, there is no chance I will be able to use 1/5 of an Ace's Mail, so I told her don't bother. My girlfriend also has Hekka's Kalsiris where I don't, so until I get this she's kind of stuck being our healer. Being stuck in a role because of luck is not fun. Finally, my girlfriend got Mekira-Meikogai the other day and put it on her 2nd mannequin. Even more amazingly, on our next attempt she got it again and took a pulse cell. Then we got more stones and tried again and she got it again. Then we tried it again and she got it again. So, she got 4 of them, put 1 on her mannequin, took 3 pulse cells and gave them to me, all in the span of about an hour. What was the net result? Four times she got lucky, and her reward for that was that I had to take four million gil out of our shared bank to buy the other two cells to complete my armor, even though she earned the thing four times. If we had beaten Byakko and got four Haidate in the old days, that would have been 4 Haidates in our linkshell, not 1 plus a four million gil debt for a second person. The fact that it takes one person getting lucky 6 times to get 2 body armors is terrible when you consider the drop rates. Trading 1 lucky occurance for 1/5th of an item is unfair. 1 drop should be worth 1 drop. The other frustrating thing is the hundreds of Qilins I have done with her, and I have yet to get myself a Lux (she's gotten 5 or 6 of them).

    Meeble Burrows - Poor. This is another interesting and fun event at first glance. The time on it is perfect, the activities are interesting, and the rewards are exciting. If entry were restricted like Assault tags OR boss fight entry were restricted like Einherjar chambers are, then this event would be fine. You combined both restrictions in one event though, so now the time it will take to earn this gear stretches off so far into the future that I can't visualize success. Add to that the fact some items clearly won't be 100% drops, and this requires efforts of such great duration that by the time all of the gear can be obtained, it will be obsolete.

    NeoNyzul - Terrible. Too difficult. Casuals can actually do everything in Nyzul; we are able to beat all bosses and many of us have captain rank and floor 100 tags from 75-era; we loved that event. What we can't do is finish this event before timing out. As a result of NN, the best geared people in the game get even better while the casual crowd is locked out of any hope for success, and that's totally unlike the old Nyzul. You need to allow us to save our climb by choosing to exit after defeating a boss, so that even if it takes us five times as long, the casual crowd has achievable goals to work for, yet the challenge to win is retained.

    You guys are so afraid that we will beat all your content and quit, that you make it so only a tiny handful of people can actually beat it. The result is that I can't stand any of it any more. If I were winning most things, I'd play more, not less. You have it backwards.

    Anyway, Voidwatch made me feel like I wanted to quit, but I stuck around for revamped events. NeoNyzul turned out to be a spectacular failure and I nearly quit except that I was willing to stick around and see if you would fix it. Then I heard Meeble Burrows was actually really interesting on the test server, so that was another reason to stay. Now, with the actual release being so time-consuming that there is no point in trying, and nothing being fixed about your previous problem events, I'm done. 3 strikes and I'm out.
    OP's entire post pretty much just further labeled Causal=can't beat content, or causal=don't like content. Hey, I consider myself causal, I love causal, and I respect causals. Causal means you value real life/family/friend/work over gaming, isn't it respectable? But Causal should't be a nametag or excuse for anyone that can't beat content.

    The fact is, a lot of the problem you listed can be solved if you try to solve it, even if you're causal. And vice versa, a "hardcore" may not be able to solve it if he can't try.

    But anyways, here's a break down to your complain about the event:

    Einherjar: You don't need 18 ppl, you only need 6 characters(some pt member can be Dual boxed) You mention you play with GF, find 4 more players, via /shout, connection, LS w/e. Go ask around to see if anyone interested in doing Einherjar. Einherjar is even more accessable than Abyssea, due to not limited in many jobs. I need a NIN and WAR if I want to do Abby, I don't need X job for it(although having NIN is nice for Odin). If you can do Abyssea you can do Einherjar(barring Odin v2, which requires a large LS).

    Legion: This is more inaccessable for causals and it's fact that many jobs needs to be elite, but not all. However, it's not THAT inaccessable for causals if you play mage jobs like SMN. Jobs like SMN, COR, RDM, THF often doesn't have high gear requirement. If you have connection, knows a group that is doing it, then it's not all that accessable. But if you don't know any group, then yes it can be a bit hard to put together a pt.

    Limbus: So in previous post you complained that you're causal so you can't do those events. Now you complained that you can't do enough limbus - -?? If you don't have a lot of play time and don't play everyday, then you can't do limbus daily anyways, so why is cooldown time on limbus a problem for causals? It should be a problem for ppl with too much play time, not pp without enough play time.

    Meeble: Same as above. Cool down time is very long, and event is short. But completely not a problem for causal like me. I do Meeble with a static once a week, and do 5 tags at once. Every other day I don't have to do this event and just don't log on or do something else. If long cool down time is going to make someone complain, it should be hardcore with too much playtime, not causals that only play for few days a week. Meeble is perfect for causals that only log on or do event 2hr a week.

    Voidwatch: VW being frustrating in drop is not just causal's problem, hardcore can go 0/700 and complain too. But your example of "having to pay millions for drop and worse than tiger pants" is weird....Tiger pants at 75 was way harder to obtain than T3 armor due to sheer amount of competition, and time spent to farm etc. You actually comparing T3 armor to Tiger pants.....real causals at 75 probably won't ever get the lotting right on it.


    Nyzul: I love how ppl always keep saying Nyzul V2 is for elite, and only elite can win, while in reality it's actually more about powder boots spam/rotate and 3rd pt tool, more than gears you're wearing.


    Anyways, from what I've seen it's more about "you don't like the content" but not "causals can't beat content", as many of the reasons you posted such as cooldown time isn't even about playtime and difficulty, sounds more like you want items after 1 day of playing, not lacking play time to do stuff. Stop blaming everything on hardcore if you don't like the content. It's your business that you want to quit because you're not enjoying the content, but your reasoning has nothing to do with causal/hardcore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarick View Post
    Again with the personal opinion based comments. You still haven't even tried to back up anything you've said. I gave several useful links to FFXI related sites. Please post something more then an opinion. The quote is 100% personal opinion you obviously don't speak for everyone.
    If you think that posting an irrelevant link will validate anything, you best think again.
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