hey Devs, how about a real explaination on TH please

[Vivivivi]

When I am on thief with max th+ gear, I always wait until the initial "level up" message in the log appears before switching to my DD set. If I claim the mob with max th+ then switch before receiving the message, it will start at the base of 4, and increment one at a time thereafter.

There is one notable exception, which SE did note in recent-ish patch updates, which is TH now has a chance to proc/level up during a weapon skill. So if that is the case, sometimes the first message regarding TH I see is that it moved to 9 (or in the case of treasure hunter being in affect, 10).

I like turtles c:

[Arcon]

WIf I claim the mob with max th+ then switch before receiving the message, it will start at the base of 4, and increment one at a time thereafter.

That's incorrect.

[tyrantsyn]

After the first initial hit in full TH gear you can un~equip to your dd gear. There's no need to continue too melee in it in less it's true that it increase's the speed of TH proc's. I for one have never notice a difference tho.

[Arcon]

After the first initial hit in full TH gear you can un~equip to your dd gear. There's no need to continue too melee in it in less it's true that it increase's the speed of TH proc's. I for one have never notice a difference tho.

This seems to be true from the limited testing I've done so far. It seems the best way to get TH up is to fulltime in TH gear. Whether or not that is better for the overall yield depends on whether or not kill time is relevant. On very rare NM pops like King Behemoth, or possibly even Empyrean upgrade items I'd say fulltime the crap out of your TH gear. Otherwise I'd hardly recommend it.

[Trumpy]

I will admit i havent read anything but the first post, but i have noticed if i forget my theif knife before i touched the mob, I start with 1 less level of TH and then i reequip the THF knife and any procs i get afterwards never adds the +1 for the knife.

So i forgot my knife. the first proc i see says i got TH7 instead of TH8. i put on the knife and the next proc is TH8. hate that you cant fix that by adding your knife.

[Catmato]

So i forgot my knife. the first proc i see says i got TH7 instead of TH8. i put on the knife and the next proc is TH8. hate that you cant fix that by adding your knife.

Right, because putting the knife on brings you to TH7, which has already been placed on the mob.

[Vold]

I think it's as obvious as what TH does: It stacks starting from TH1 and always has unless they toyed with the coding for showing procs in log. There is no TH1 + TH2 + TH3 = TH6 stacking. It's meant to be taken literally. TH0 > TH1 > TH2 > TH3 > HOW DOES + TH GEAR WORK STARTING NOW!!!!???? > Insert procs > TH4 > TH5 > TH6 > TH7 END OF TH+ GEAR LINE(as far as I know) > TH8 and beyond.

Also we know for a fact at this point that TH0 sucks, TH1 is a sorta okay upgrade to no TH, TH2 is the best thing since your ex wife left you, TH3 and beyond takes a turn for the worst. Every upgrade past TH2 definitely is an improvement over TH2 but the boosts of awesomeness starts getting tame at best in comparison to the upgrade of TH2 from TH1. It's not because it's TH3 trait + gimpy gear TH+4 = TH"7". It's because SE has implemented measures to ensure they preserve "balance" of item drops. That's why TH3 was an extreme sub par upgrade from TH2 trait, and why TH levels after that are sub par and requires many proc upgrades to have a decent increase in drops in comparison to what TH2 gave us. It's so there isn't 500 silk threads on the AH at once. Nothing more or less.

I would love to know the math behind it. But for now I think I know the gist of it. Not gonna help much in the too weak farming department but it'll give you a welcomed boost during serious business farming whether you will notice it or not. But hey if someone wants to believe in TH3+4, have at it. Whatever you need. Just remember that obvious limitations to restrict how much crap you can farm up is obvious. No amount of TH is ever going to change what they program into the game in the name of balance. And that's why I for the most part retired from figuring out the secrets of TH.

[hiko]

The only thing we don't know.......

I agree with what you say but:

All I know is that I know nothing, while others believe they know what they do not know.

Socrates

[Lokithor]

There's no need to clarify how TH procs progress. That is well known despite the confusion of some people in this thread (who the hell really cares if TH2 replaces TH1 or adds to it to make TH=2). What is not known clearly is the effect that the various levels of TH have on drop rate. I don't think that SE will ever tell us how this actually works because if they do, everyone would realize that beyond TH3 or so, it makes such a small difference as to be completely insignificant and be very pissed.

[tyrantsyn]

I will admit i havent read anything but the first post, but i have noticed if i forget my theif knife before i touched the mob, I start with 1 less level of TH and then i reequip the THF knife and any procs i get afterwards never adds the +1 for the knife.

So i forgot my knife. the first proc i see says i got TH7 instead of TH8. i put on the knife and the next proc is TH8. hate that you cant fix that by adding your knife.

A lot of time's I'll auto target a mob right after defeating another. And I don't always remember to swap to TH gear before I start to do damage. But I notice that as long as you switch into TH gear before the proc animation. It always take's it straight to the top TH when it occur's. After the fact, it does not matter. All proc's will only take it up by one. And adding extra TH won't make it jump any higher. If you want to call this testing. It was done with +2 relic hands.