hey Devs, how about a real explaination on TH please

[wildsprite]

as the title says how about some devs tell us how it really works so we really know

some of us have the theory that TH stacks so a THF can have TH7 with gear, while others have the theory that it doesn't stack like that, that it is in fact TH1+6 or TH2+5 or TH3+4

how about settling the argument for us please?

I for one really want to know who is right

since we know how many of us feel about this subject how about we keep bumping this thread till we get some sort of answer please?

[Krashport]

Gear TH+1,1,2 total = 4 which adds TH4 to the running total cause it raises the TH Trait(s) from TH4 to TH8 when "Proc'ing", Ask yourself this question. How come the TH Trait(s) 1,2,3 total = 4 when procing and some count them as TH3. What some are doing is counting each TH Trait as one(1), Thinking each TH Trait cancels each other out or Myth believers that assume 1st hit on said mob is TH7, Without showing Proc in log.

How I feel about 1st hit TH7 without showing proc in log. Pretty sure its a myth cause I've proc'ed TH8 many time on 1st hit. I doubt TH7/8 "STACKED" and could proc in one hit. I'd say TH7 is another word for "Luck".


Group 1.)
1.) Lv. 15 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter
2.) Lv.45 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 2
3.) Lv.90 Job Trait = Treasure Hunter 3
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Group 1.) Some like to believe that the 1st hit on said mob is TH3 without showing Proc in log.
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Group 1.) Total Proc's for TH4~.
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Group 2.)
1.) Lv.70 Thief's Knife = Treasure Hunter+1
2.) Lv.81 Raider's Poulaines +2 = Treasure Hunter+1
3.) Lv.90 Assassin's Armlets +2 = Treasure Hunter+2
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Group 1 & 2.) Some like to believe that the 1st hit on said mob is TH7 without showing Proc in log.
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Group 1 & 2.) Total Proc's for TH8~.

[Arcon]

The only thing we don't know (for values higher than TH2) is the formula for increase in drop chance. We do know how TH works and stacks, and we did so for a very long time.

Each TH tier adds 1 TH to the resulting value. The gear you have and the traits you have stack to one number. That's your current TH value.

A Lv.90 THF with no gear has TH3. If he attacks a mob, TH3 is applied. You will not get a message when you apply TH, ever. You will only ever get a message if you upgrade TH. So if you have TH3, it's only natural the first message you get is TH4, because that's what you'll upgrade to. An easy way to test this, if you're curious, go THF/WAR with +1 TH in gear and Provoke a mob. Then unequip the +1 TH, use Bully, Sneak Attack and follow with a melee hit. It will upgrade to TH5, despite you only having TH3 on at that moment (0 from gear, 3 from trait). That means that there must have been TH4 on before, which proves you can apply TH just by hitting or casting on a mob once (or using a JA, as in this case), and do not need to see a message. This seems to be the biggest point of confusion among non-THF players at this point.

[Nawesemo]

S.e. asked that I pass on this little message....., "No.".

O, and I agree with acorn.

[Krashport]

Arcon, Think you're misunderstanding me. I am totally aware that THF at LV.90+ "HAS" TH3 it also "HAS" TH,TH2 in the trials list. Who to say they stack or not I don't really care. Also when Proc'ed<------- is what I been talking about this whole time. You're just repeating what I say in your own way enjoy your TH3 bud. ^^

Here is food for thought; BLM trails for one don't show; Magic Attack Bonus II,III,IV,V,VI. SE took them away as we leveled up. As for THF SE left Treasure Hunter I,II in list.

[Babekeke]

Arcon, Think you're misunderstanding me. I am totally aware that THF at LV.90+ "HAS" TH3 it also "HAS" TH,TH2 in the trials list. Who to say they stack or not I don't really care. Also when Proc'ed<------- is what I been talking about this whole time. You're just repeating what I say in your own way enjoy your TH3 bud. ^^

Here is food for thought; BLM trails for one don't show; Magic Attack Bonus II,III,IV,V,VI. SE took them away as we leveled up. As for THF SE left Treasure Hunter I,II in list.

I almost always (unless kill speed really isn't an issue) equip my TH gear for the ranged attack pull only. By the time the mob reaches me to attack me, I have unequipped it all (apart from the dagger if I bothered to equip it in the first place). Whether I get a proc on the first hit, or on the 10th attack round, that proc will be 1 higher than the TH I was wearing at the pull (or the highest TH I had equipped during the fight - if I get an add, I might still be wearing TH3 for the initial hit, but will equip TH gear at some point during the fight) regardless of the fact that I'm back to wearing no +TH gear when the proc occurs.

Fact.

[Demon6324236]

Arcon, Think you're misunderstanding me. I am totally aware that THF at LV.90+ "HAS" TH3 it also "HAS" TH,TH2 in the trials list. Who to say they stack or not I don't really care. Also when Proc'ed<------- is what I been talking about this whole time. You're just repeating what I say in your own way enjoy your TH3 bud. ^^

Here is food for thought; BLM trails for one don't show; Magic Attack Bonus II,III,IV,V,VI. SE took them away as we leveled up. As for THF SE left Treasure Hunter I,II in list.

I would guess the reason why is because unlike Magic Attack Bonus of which they probably just change the effects of it at a certain level, so that it is still the same trait just more powerful, Treasure Hunter they needed to make multiple so that it would add up instead of just being altered in its base name.

[Mirage]

I think there are several traits listed because TH tiers would be almost impossible for the player base to prove the existence of on their own, while other traits are easier to test the effects of. You can easily see if you have a new tier of clear mind, but you can't with TH.

[Sarick]

I also found thf traits more effective if you have more people in an alliance when thief first hits. I say this because in a THF burn party the drops where few to none with 3 people. When we filled up with an alliance the items dropped so fast we couldn't even lot them fast enough before they fell out of the pool. They never exceeded the maximum drop they just dropped more.

Might be something to test out.

There are also some mobs that have 100% drop if you do a critical break on them such as marieds or Orobon NM's.

Keep in mind I figured out that the charmed Bitty Bugs in jugnar S (SP) gave treasure hunter way before SE made them as jug pets. I used them to farm with and only told a select few people my dirty secret.

[Krashport]

I almost always (unless kill speed really isn't an issue) equip my TH gear for the ranged attack pull only. By the time the mob reaches me to attack me, I have unequipped it all (apart from the dagger if I bothered to equip it in the first place). Whether I get a proc on the first hit, or on the 10th attack round, that proc will be 1 higher than the TH I was wearing at the pull (or the highest TH I had equipped during the fight - if I get an add, I might still be wearing TH3 for the initial hit, but will equip TH gear at some point during the fight) regardless of the fact that I'm back to wearing no +TH gear when the proc occurs.

Fact.

Good for you Babekeke!, I've also noticed that the more TH+ you have on seems to enhances TH to proc (upgrade) quicker. Figuring out which TH# is best then start unequipping, But that falls under personal preference. TH9~10... maybe 13!