question for GM's

[Dazusu]

RMT have existed from the dawn of this game, way before IGE existed. It's nothing new. Report the character names to the STF - then give them 6-12 weeks, and the characters *should* disappear... but don't expect instant action, I'm pretty sure they have a huge backlog.

The STF are proactively banning RMT: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/specialtask.html

This page shows that last month (August 2012) 1.5 billion gil was frozen and 1,151 accounts were banned for RMT-related activity.

[Mirage]

Other idea make it that trial accounts can't use AH/Delivery System/Trade. Make a new status like the yellow/blue flags beside demo accounts and make it a trial account has something like a lock or a clock by the name, and if they have over 100k gil their flagged for IMMEDIATE evaluation.

Are you suggesting that legit players who bought the game would not be able to buy, sell or trade gear for the first month they played? They would quit within the first week. This is a terrible idea. Getting 100k gil within the first month is easy for a new account as well. If they get into an abyssea party they'll have 100k from the drops gained there alone within one or two exp sessions.

[Kaisha]

Are you suggesting that legit players who bought the game would not be able to buy, sell or trade gear for the first month they played? They would quit within the first week. This is a terrible idea. Getting 100k gil within the first month is easy too.

Doesn't matter much when the game already has a 'trial account' status for trial users anyhow nowadays, preventing RMT from abusing that, which was dreadful during the last time they had 'trials' where we were spammed non-stop with BuyGil spam.

Not much they can do to limit spam though on actual accounts other than just banhammering them as they come.

[Mirage]

Those are two different things, actually.

You have one trial account thing that is entirely free, and prevents trading, /telling and a few other things. Then you have people who are on the first 30 days trial of a game they paid money for.

I was assuming Secondplanet was talking about limiting these players, seeing as it would make no sense to suggest limiting the free trial users in the way he suggested, when they are already limited more or less exactly like he suggested.

[Secondplanet]

RMT have existed from the dawn of this game, way before IGE existed. It's nothing new. Report the character names to the STF - then give them 6-12 weeks, and the characters *should* disappear... but don't expect instant action, I'm pretty sure they have a huge backlog.

The STF are proactively banning RMT regularly: http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/rule/specialtask.html

This page shows that last month (August 2012) 1.5 billion gil was frozen and 1,151 accounts were banned for RMT-related activity.

The problem is by the time the 6-12 weeks are done the money went from #1 traded to #2 mailed to #3 sold to #4 through bazaar and sent to #5 by buying something stupid on AH for X million gil. You can't track all of that or there would be more then just 1.5billion gone. Also out of those accounts how many were trials?

Are you suggesting that legit players who bought the game would not be able to buy, sell or trade gear for the first month they played? They would quit within the first week. This is a terrible idea. Getting 100k gil within the first month is easy for a new account as well. If they get into an abyssea party they'll have 100k from the drops gained there alone within one or two exp sessions.

Then take away the free first month and make it that you have to pay, then SE can use that money to get more ppl on the STF to make sure that RMT are dealt with more swiftly. Also why would someone brand new to the game ruin their first job with doing abyssea ASAP? the servers are already plagued with players with amazing gear and no skill to use it. Even if they allow the player to buy on AH but not place items for sale.

The RMT group is taking advantage of too many things and SE isn't keeping on top of it. Even if SE made a quest you have to do with some lvl 70+ job to go to abyssea for the first time would also discourage RMT from doing it but since they all probably all lvl 99 with the skills of a lvl 1 it shouldn't to hard to find them.

[Mirage]

Then take away the free first month and make it that you have to pay, then SE can use that money to get more ppl on the STF to make sure that RMT are dealt with more swiftly. Also why would someone brand new to the game ruin their first job with doing abyssea ASAP? the servers are already plagued with players with amazing gear and no skill to use it. Even if they allow the player to buy on AH but not place items for sale.

One month of play time included in the initial game purchase is standard in the MMO world. If they didn't give people that, they would instead have to offer the client download for free. For both RMT, legit players and SE, this would make no difference in money spent/earned, so why even bother?

And I dunno what you mean by "ASAP". If you've spent 2-3 weeks getting to level 70-75, why wouldn't you want to finally be able to participate in what is the most efficient way to get mid-range gear, exp and merits? Even leveling from 70-80, you'd get enough 13000-gil-hachimakis, scrolls, and whatever to get way more than 100k gil.

[Demon6324236]

An easy way to explain the problem is they don't ban RMTs fast enough, they still make profit, which means they still do it. If RMTs were gotten rid of at a faster rate & they were losing money or making very little they could be snuffed out, doesn't seem likely though.

[Secondplanet]

One month of play time included in the initial game purchase is standard in the MMO world. If they didn't give people that, they would instead have to offer the client download for free. For both RMT, legit players and SE, this would make no difference in money spent/earned, so why even bother?

And I dunno what you mean by "ASAP". If you've spent 2-3 weeks getting to level 70-75, why wouldn't you want to finally be able to participate in what is the most efficient way to get mid-range gear, exp and merits? Even leveling from 70-80, you'd get enough 13000-gil-hachimakis, scrolls, and whatever to get way more than 100k gil.

i was talking about new accounts, you don't start off at lvl 70 you start off at lvl 1. If you can get to lvl 70 (which is almost impossible unless you book burn) in less then a month maybe you need to take some time off the game or be flagged. I understand people loving the game but i don't think someone new will spend days on end doing nothing but grinding levels for 1 month to get into abyssea. They have missions to do quests to get annoyed with. 1 month of blocked features won't feel that long with all there is to do.

[Mirage]

What part of my post makes you think I thought new characters start at lv 70?

Never said I didn't talk about book burn. Yes, GoV leveling is fast, and it is what most new players use to rapidly gain levels. It easily gets you to 70 within a couple of weeks, with only limit breaks slowing you down. Those are however relatively fast to get out of the way if you make some friends over those two weeks.

[Secondplanet]

What part of my post makes you think I thought new characters start at lv 70?

Never said I didn't talk about book burn. Yes, GoV leveling is fast, and it is what most new players use to rapidly gain levels. It easily gets you to 70 within a couple of weeks, with only limit breaks slowing you down. Those are however relatively fast to get out of the way if you make some friends over those two weeks.

that would be how you were talking about new accounts then talk about level 70. And also getting from level 1-70 in 2 weeks through book burning your just senseless grinding, thats not playing the game your just existing. When i joined the game years and years ago it took me almost 2 weeks to get to lvl 20, and i was having fun doing it running around doing quests and even getting a subjob.

They could easily lock a lot of features in this game for the first month and not effect new players too much.

Kinda funny though how you put down the idea of how to stop RMT's but fail to give one for yourself.....