Blue mage treasure hunter trait is too overpowered

[Malthar]

Ok, ok, before the flames start burning my behind hear my argument.

SE stated that the hierarchy for treasure hunter is as follows:

Thief
Ranger
Thief job support
Other jobs

From what I can tell blue mage falls in the other jobs category. Blue mage can attain TH2 from the augmented tarutaru sash and the treasure hunter job trait by setting the correct spells.

Beastmaster also falls in the other jobs category. I'm assuming that's the official reasoning for reducing th from Falcorr and Yuley from TH3 to TH1.

Now, why is blue mage special to get TH2? If blue mage can attain TH2 from gear and job traits then beastmaster should be able to also attain TH2 through the thief pet and gear.

Now here's a proposed solution. Either take blue mage off the tarutaru sash or introduce a new piece of gear that gives pet treasure hunter +1. I'm not one for gimping one job to elevate another, so my preferred solution is to introduce a new piece of gear offering pet: treasure hunter +1.

It's the only way to be sure.

[selond]

I REALLY hope your trolling bro..... because like..... wow if your not.... pleases say your trolling

[Malthar]

No, I'm not trolling. There's this big hubub about bst having th and no-one considered the fact that blu can get th2, the same as subbing /thf, by just equipping some spells and wearing a tarutaru sash. How is that balanced? SE, themselves, said the order of TH is to be:

Thief
Ranger
Thief job support
Other jobs

Nowhere in there does it say blue mage is to be above other jobs. So I put this to you. Fine, let blue mage keep th1 by setting spells and have the ability to have th2 by also wearing the tarutaru sash, but don't be hypocritical of bst wanting the same thing using gear. DipperYuley and Falcorr posses a native th1 trait. Beastmaster should be given the same opportunity as blue mage and be able to equip a piece of gear that gives pet th+1.

Please reread my original post. I'm not advocating that SE take blue mage off the tarutaru sash, though that is one of the suggested solutions. I'm promoting the idea of giving bst a piece of gear that gives pet th+1 just so things can be balanced.

[Metaking]

ok the question is what would you give up for it, if se made the penalty a lingering effect on your pet, -all pets job traits + stout servent for 1min? remember blu loses a lot of spell points setting th1, and can make you lose alot of dmg potential when you have caped gear haste DW2 and DW3 are a big difference in dmg potential, and generally blus are sacrificing that for that th1, not to mention general for us things like dynamis are much much riskier , that extra point of th is there to make us take that risk you bst are unwilling to take. Of all the jobs that really have a chance at dynamis blu has the lowest natural evasion(c-) but i dont cry at the nins(A+) dnc(B+) and thfs(A+), know your advantage and push it, and before you say i know nothing of bst i already did my time as a bst in dynamis and simply noticed i could make more currency on blu tho if something went wrong i was in the penalty box for 5 mins, which almost never happen on bst. O and ps before you say it isn't, we all know this is about dynamis.

sorry i had to be that guy but yea 90% of the blus who see your post probably would have written something much much more hateful i mean really your post is up there with like a rdm posting on drk forum its not fair for them to get fast cast helm(provenace one) with as much fast cast as there af hat

[Caketime]

Damage potential means little when farming. We're rocking a Taru sash, after all.

I disagree with any sort of nerf to BLU for the same reason I disagreed with the one to BST. It is simply not deserved.

[Cabalabob]

We give up so much for the TH spells and the additions from the sash. We give up 12 set points, for Amorphic spikes which is weaker than quad continuum which is set for DW, charged whisker which unless you're in aby is rubbish, and everyone's grudge which sucks for farming. Then we also give up one of our highest haste pieces aswell as whatever other benefits are on it. For TH. Blu sacrifices all that for TH2 and you're suggesting that extra TH should just be THROWN back onto bst for no cost to them cause it's unfair that BST only gets TH1 naturally?

I'd say that's still under /Thf seeing as we give up quite a bit more for sash and spells version than we do for simply subbing thf

[Metaking]

well my counter is more to the fact he says there is not a balance, which i say he is wrong
Bst = extremely safe farming (gotta get swarmed by like 3-5 dc's before your pet is even remotely in danger)
blu = highest single drop potential (kill speed + th2)
thf = safe farming(massive evasion) + best per mob drops(th7 tho slow kill rate)
Dnc = safe farming(less than thf but still really high evasion)+ can easily lock subjob and farm white procs to beat even a lucky blu on overall currency a run
nin = ok fine nins have a right to be upset with the balance job ability spam hurts there main advantage of massive dw and i think because of evasion job traits actually have lower evasion than a dnc out the door
pup = actually i hear farm currency rather well no personal experience but if any job should get pet th it would be them, there pets are considerably more....... mortal than bst pets >.>;

[Afania]

well my counter is more to the fact he says there is not a balance, which i say he is wrong
Bst = extremely safe farming (gotta get swarmed by like 3-5 dc's before your pet is even remotely in danger)
blu = highest single drop potential (kill speed + th2)
thf = safe farming(massive evasion) + best per mob drops(th7 tho slow kill rate)
Dnc = safe farming(less than thf but still really high evasion)+ can easily lock subjob and farm white procs to beat even a lucky blu on overall currency a run
nin = ok fine nins have a right to be upset with the balance job ability spam hurts there main advantage of massive dw and i think because of evasion job traits actually have lower evasion than a dnc out the door
pup = actually i hear farm currency rather well no personal experience but if any job should get pet th it would be them, there pets are considerably more....... mortal than bst pets >.>;

So many wrong info in above statement.......

To correct some of the info on above statement, from what I've know:

BLU has even safer farming than majority of jobs there, due to 9+ shadow and AoE sleep x2. BLU can also swarm by 5+ DC mob, sleep them all, log out to lose hate if you don't want to fight them all. It's fairly easy to deal with massive link on BLU, but not so much on DNC and THF. If DNC THF mass aggro DCs, they're dead pretty soon too without shadow and AoE sleep(unless THF flee/hide etc). I did not say this myself, many DNC and THF dyna soloer told me they often had hard time dealing with massive link too.

Evasion rating isn't what makes it safe or not, on DC it may make a bit difference, but majority of time it's not what determined how safe it is to solo dyna. Evasion has a cap, even at capped evasion you're gonna get hit 1 out of every 5 hit. Imagine how fast you lose HP when there are 5~7 mobs attacking you on the same time. If DNC THF mass aggro 7 mobs, even at capped evasion you're gonna get hit fairly often still. Fat chance is that BLU will survive better than DNC THF in such situations.

It's fairly easy to cap evasion on EP mobs or close to cap, so C rank evasion(plus evasion job trait from /DNC) doesn't matter on BLU, cuz you'll be capping or close to capping evasion on EP anyways. Once you can cap/close to cap evasion on C rank skill level, it doesn't matter if your evasion rating is C or B or A or S, because you will evade 4 hit out of 5 times no matter what level your evasion is.

You shouldn't be solo farming DC, and if you really do DC, the long stun duration from sudden lunge also makes it safer than pure evasion jobs.

Another thing about evasion is, NIN/DNC has higher evasion than DNC and THF, it's in fact, most evasive job in this game. So saying NIN has lower evasion than DNC is incorrect based on current info.

Put gear/merit/race difference aside, a THF/DNC has 424 evasion skill and evasion bonus V(+60), based on bg-wiki's info, 1 evasion skill=0.9 evasion, which equals to 381 evasion. 441 evasion total.

A DNC/THF or DNC/00 has 404 skill, plus evasion bonus IV+ 48, and closed position merit +15, so total of 426

NIN/DNC has 417 skill, plus evasion bouns II from SJ+ 22, Yonin for +30, and Kurayami for -30 acc, that's like 457. Even without Kurayami but just yonin, it still has higher eva than DNC, with Kurayami it beats THF.

However, what makes NIN bad for dyna solo isn't evasion rating, it's in fact, it has no TH.

As for PUP, the advantage of PUP is, PUP can get TH2 while farming in dyna, cuz they can proc JA with /THF, other job pretty much has to /DNC to proc JA.

Also it's commonly believed that DNC/00 has lower coin gain in the long run due to lack of TH. So DNC solo is DNC/THF only.

So to summerize the advantage/disadvantage of each dyna solo job:
BLU/DNC: Has TH2, can AoE sleep, stun lock mobs, plauge to avoid TP moves, access to all 3 type of proc in case it's needed, fast kill for both TE and the mob. But the down side is that you need gear to gain TH2 access, which not everyone has.

BST/DNC: Has lower skill and gear requirement, but only TH1. Need to use items and spend gil. Faster proc than many other jobs there. Ability to hold 2 mobs.


THF/DNC: Higher TH than other jobs, but you pretty much need elite gear such as Mandau to kill fast enough. Has flee/hide etc, but other wise not very easy to deal with mass aggro.

DNC/THF: TH2, decent killing speed, but not as good as BLU and BST to deal with mass aggro.

PUP/THF: TH2 too, low competition on camp, good dmg output.

Any other job, such as MNK NIN SAM etc, shouldn't be consider as dyna solo job because you can't get TH.

Is BLU TH2 overpowered in dyna? In practice, 3 jobs(THF PUP DNC) I listed above can get TH2 but doesn't require any gear grind, while BLU TH2 needs gear grind. So how does that overpower? Although BST only got TH1, you also have faster proc, ability to hold 2 mobs, less gear requirement to farm efficiently etc, the result is, BST with just TH1 isn't really inferior to jobs with TH2 in terms of efficiency too...majority of players still use BST to farm in dyna. So how does BLU with TH1+1 overpowered when majority of ppl still solo dyna on BST?

In pt situations and outside of dyna, if you need TH, you bring real THF, so it still doesn't matter if BLU has TH2, because BLU will never get invited specifically for TH when THF can do higher TH, and other jobs can TH2 with /THF too.

BLU TH is just fine as it is, TH2 isn't handed to BLU, it requires work and gear grind too, and BLU will suffer from dmg lose by setting TH job trait, it's not like BLU just pop TH2 out of nowhere, and TH2 on BLU really has little importance and almost zero impact to the game/pt setup. If today BLU has access to TH5, then maybe it's a bit overpowered. But TH2? Lol, any job can TH2 with /THF, and nobody invite a job to TH2 it when they can have higher TH from other jobs too.

Any job gets TH2 with /THF, I fail to see how BLU gets TH2 is overpowered.

[Prothscar]

Kind of hilarious for a few reasons. Namely, you're not comparing the strengths/differences of the jobs or their methods of acquiring Treasure Hunter.

-I have to give up a large amount, nearly 1/3, of my blue magic set points on mostly worthless spells just to gain TH1.

-I cannot simply walk into Falcdor. That is, I can't just summon my friendly neighborhood hippogryph, who has treasure hunter, sic it into a pack of 2000 DC mobs, and throw biscuits at him now and again. No. I have to take a measured approach to combat and pull carefully, because despite having a large amount of sleeps and stuns enough DC mobs will be capable of overwhelming me. This is, imo, BST's biggest strength, it's easy to get into and survive on comparative to other jobs. Cost:Reward or Effort:Reward, whichever you want to look at as the most deciding factor in a situation like this, BLU certainly pays for the extra tier of TH.

-Would I be opposed to BST getting an item similar to Taru sash? No. Just make it as difficult to get, at least. While AoE burning or just regular Gold Box farming in Abyssea - La Theine may not sound all that daunting, tell that to those of us such as myself who spent at least a cumulative 72 hours getting ours.

-Including the words "overpowered" and "imbalanced" in this setting is kinda funny, just wanted to say that before I wrap this up. I'd also suggest you direct your hate mail more toward WHM, who can get TH3 by subbing THF and wearing Tarutaru sash for minimal to no losses to their effectiveness when farming Dynamis.

[Malthar]

What you give up for that th is not at issue. What is is the fact that blue mage can reach th2 without subbing /thf. That was the major butthurt the entire community had about bst.

Plus, if you have an almace, which most blu's do, you barely use any spells farming dynamis with the exception of sudden lunge and dream flower.