Pet th - Just hear me out

[FrankReynolds]

So why don't you go /THF and use a better pet? What's this entire debate about then?

You really don't know why having TH on a pet is better than subbing THF? Well then I guess you have no basis for argument in the first place.

[Nawesemo]

I don't get your point, Nawesemo. A BST could kill signifigantly faster using a pet such as Gorefang etc. I've trio'd dynamis with my BST with a THF and DRK. And with a THF present I used Gorefang and the killspeed was ridiculous. We do less damage to gain TH from Falcorr or Yuly. It's the same issue of why would you go in Dynamis on THF, you have lower killspeed as a THF in Dynamis, but you have oodles of TH. So...it's the same situation.

BSTs give up damage / utility to equip the THF pet just like other jobs do to sub THF. BST getting some extra currency, or soloing something big, incredibly slowly does not make the game unbalanced for other jobs.

^^ in response to that.....
my point, the choice of bst pets is just like a blm's choice of fire or thunder, its a function of the main job not something they give up to gain the "thf", but everyone else (save blu who still gives up quite a bit to gain it) has to /thf. it's as goofy as a blm wanting thf traits on thunder 5. give it up. the argument is getting stupid.

[Arcon]

You really don't know why having TH on a pet is better than subbing THF? Well then I guess you have no basis for argument in the first place.

I know why it's better for Dynamis, which I don't care about at all, because BST's role in Dynamis is not threatened by anything.

And aside from that, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Don't talk about "we still have to sacrifice something" because using a THF pet doesn't compare to what every other job is required to give up in forms of utility, survivability and damage.

[Komori]

Except unless it's one of those jobs that has sash, in which case if it works like EVERY other piece of TH gear, it only requires touching the mob with it on and then switching back to your normal TP gear.

[Caketime]

You have your definitions wrong. A bug is erroneous behavior, not unexpected behavior. This was unexpected behavior. Same as BST TH, see below.

Being unexpected does not exempt it from being erroneous.

Why is that hilarious? That is entirely natural and the only reasonable thing to assume. Why should you be best at one situation and simultaneously the best at another?

Because your maximum damage potential shouldn't matter when farming, which is exactly what the THF pets are for, and what we've been talking about. I'm not sure where you're getting "best at one situation and another", I'm talking about farming with BST pets.

They didn't. Pets having jobs has nothing at all to do with it. Pets aren't players, same rules don't apply and never did. If they did pets could be geared up and buffed and BST would effectively be two people at once. It seems that's your rationale for other people having a mule.

Please show where it has been stated that pet jobs are not allowed to function in the same way as players for the purposes of combat.

SE said themselves what order they want jobs to have TH in. I didn't make it up. I don't have the post here right now, if you're interested you can look it up or just not believe me.

That post was a reaction to the community flipping out over Pet TH. They never expressed an order before then.

So why don't you go /THF and use a better pet? What's this entire debate about then?

Because that would require us to sub THF and not SCH or DNC. You know, since most of the time we're required to do things on our own so we don't have the convenience of a helper mage or a main job that specializes in magic damage and sports potent self heals. Though the post you're quoting is referring to group play, and why anyone would sub THF for group play anymore is beyond my comprehension. Might as well add THF.

[FrankReynolds]

I know why it's better for Dynamis, which I don't care about at all, because BST's role in Dynamis is not threatened by anything.

And aside from that, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Don't talk about "we still have to sacrifice something" because using a THF pet doesn't compare to what every other job is required to give up in forms of utility, survivability and damage.

And outside of dynamis, where would bst with a thf pet be breaking things? In abyssea, a plethora of other jobs have it better regardless of TH, due to weapon / magic procs being more powerful than TH. Where else is bst soloing and cleaning up on drops? I haven't seen any in Sea? Sky? Nyzul? Legion? Limbus? Assault? Einherjar? Let's face it. That TH nerf was a BSTDynamis nerf only, and it did nothing to improve the quality of the game for anyone.

[Nawesemo]

Because that would require us to sub THF and not SCH or DNC. You know, since most of the time we're required to do things on our own so we don't have the convenience of a helper mage or a main job that specializes in magic damage and sports potent self heals. Though the post you're quoting is referring to group play, and why anyone would sub THF for group play anymore is beyond my comprehension. Might as well add THF.

And we have a winner!!!! Here's a cookie.

[Caketime]

And aside from that, that's exactly what I'm talking about. Don't talk about "we still have to sacrifice something" because using a THF pet doesn't compare to what every other job is required to give up in forms of utility, survivability and damage.

Yuly takes hits like a grandmother with advanced degenerative bone disease and she hits like one too. Falcorr has more going for him, but not by much. He's still quite squishy against anything that can hit him, and Fantod is only spectacular against too weak mobs. Gorefang brings lots of damage, can take some hits in return and is quite reliable in a duo or trio. There are clear advantages and disadvantages to each pet if you actually play the job instead of just hating everything about it.

[Caketime]

And we have a winner!!!! Here's a cookie.

So what you're saying is I should sub a job that has no native heals, thereby forcing me to rely on Lulu's carrots or /heal to restore lost health, which in turn makes the subjob I chose ineffective at increasing my drops. You can at least use drains on BLM, if you ever take damage at all, so how much do I have to sacrifice before it's "fair"? If I have to force myself to be inefficient at surviving I might as well just say screw it and go WHM/THF to avoid the entire headache.

[Plasticleg]

So what you're saying is I should sub a job that has no native heals, thereby forcing me to rely on Lulu's carrots or /heal to restore lost health, which in turn makes the subjob I chose ineffective at increasing my drops. You can at least use drains on BLM, if you ever take damage at all, so how much do I have to sacrifice before it's "fair"? If I have to force myself to be inefficient at surviving I might as well just say screw it and go WHM/THF to avoid the entire headache.

how fitting for your name: "having your cake and eating it too"
sounds like you need to make some friends or a mule.