RDM Adjustment Suggestions

[saevel]

If you use a sword, yes, Sanguine would help, Vorpal not so much once you have Req/CDC/KoR/DB, but without those 4, it probably would end up as the best we got for damage.Not really a problem with adding this, not the most helpful thing ever but I mean not really a downfall to getting it either.

Dude it's scuro, he's a troll. Best think you can do is add him to your ignore list.

[ManaKing]

Stop sounds like a keeper. That's about it.

RDM is the selfish buffer, not the party support. SE made this clear. We aren't going back to cycles, other than Haste, because they aren't important. Until new management makes their position clear, I'm not assuming that they are going to devote time to RDM that doesn't follow the previous establishments frame work. We get a new 2H just like everyone else. Enfeebling might be useful after PD and Embrava are diminished. Maybe not.

All this party buffing you're talking about is going straight to SCH or maybe GEO. Honestly the debuffs sound like SCH territory as well.

[Scuro]

IF you noticed, I've shot down just about every DD thing for RDM because it is not a DD, nor should it, if you want a DD mage, go play BLU. That is why I am more than glad to help out with buff, debuff things which is what I have done. Also to Manaking, if you think that about RDM, it just won't go anywhere, if its going to be a self buffer, it will have virtually no desire to be utilized for group work, and will have to survive on its own, which no offense, it really can't in this day and age. That and Debuffs are RDM's thing, I couldn't see how it wouldn't be.

Whenever discussing RDM, I always keep the job manifesto in mind...

Red Mage

Vision
Support specialists who excel at transforming their allies from mere mortals into demigods with their enhancements, while rendering once-formidable enemies impotent with enfeebling magic.

We want to see red mages play a more vital role in HNM battles by making enfeebling magic more effective against high-level notorious monsters and their legendary levels of resistance as well as allowing them to better contribute to party member enhancement.

[Calatilla]

IF you noticed, I've shot down just about every DD thing for RDM because it is not a DD, nor should it, if you want a DD mage, go play BLU. That is why I am more than glad to help out with buff, debuff things which is what I have done. Also to Manaking, if you think that about RDM, it just won't go anywhere, if its going to be a self buffer, it will have virtually no desire to be utilized for group work, and will have to survive on its own, which no offense, it really can't in this day and age. That and Debuffs are RDM's thing, I couldn't see how it wouldn't be.

Whenever discussing RDM, I always keep the job manifesto in mind...

Red Mage

Vision
Support specialists who excel at transforming their allies from mere mortals into demigods with their enhancements, while rendering once-formidable enemies impotent with enfeebling magic.

We want to see red mages play a more vital role in HNM battles by making enfeebling magic more effective against high-level notorious monsters and their legendary levels of resistance as well as allowing them to better contribute to party member enhancement.

SE's vision for RDM makes no sense. Considering all our buffs are self cast only barring 4(5 if merited phalanx II) how are we turning pt members into demigods again? And the spells we can cast on others (haste, refresh, pro/shell V)every other support mage has. We can make ourselves into minigods, but what good does that do us in a pt situation? And its been said before, enfeebling has been largely irrelevant since abyssea. WHM is better at turning your pt into demigods because all of their buffs are aoe, Boost-STR, Auspice, Pro/shellra V, barspells.

[Demon6324236]

The problem with that is, 1, no enfeeble will really be useful in an alliance setting unless it is massively over powered in a solo setting, RDM was once a solo god, so to do this would just put it back in that spot again. Buffs we will never excel at, why? Because of 2 jobs, COR, and BRD, they have a full spectrum of buffs we have no access to or anything near, putting us out of that job as well.

[ManaKing]

Yeah, well I'll counter your poorly translated and often poorly worded manifesto with SE's incessant need to put out promotional pics and videos with RDMs using swords. I happen to have an Excalibur in mine. I also drop Impact and sometimes Double Impact when I'm feeling JCVD. You can say whatever you want about RDMs damage potential, but I actually play this job and I have no question about whether or no I'm a DD. I'm not, I'm a damage contributor that heals and enfeebles where appropriate. Doesn't mean I can't beat shit to death in a group or by myself.

If I needed EPeen numbers to feel good about myself, I would have picked the wrong job. And just so we are clear, when it's appropriate to go to events without my sword, I put it away. BLU is such a superior DD over RDM that they can melee in all the events, like Voidwatch for example. That's why you always need 2 BLUs right? Because they do so much damage as a melee that you need at least 2 of them to ensure a win.

And when you go to Legion, you take a BLU to chain spell stun things to you don't have to use another PD....oh wait, that's not right either....

The problem with that is, 1, no enfeeble will really be useful in an alliance setting unless it is massively over powered in a solo setting, RDM was once a solo god, so to do this would just put it back in that spot again. Buffs we will never excel at, why? Because of 2 jobs, COR, and BRD, they have a full spectrum of buffs we have no access to or anything near, putting us out of that job as well.

DJ he just came here to troll. If you're not going to take pot shots at him, you're just supposed to laugh at him. Because he's here for your amusement.



We aren't party buffers. We are self buffers for flexibility and enfeeblers for party dynamics. If party dynamics don't revolve around enfeebling, then I hope you have the gear to do other things.

[Scuro]

If I needed EPeen numbers to feel good about myself, I would have picked the wrong job. And just so we are clear, when it's appropriate to go to events without my sword, I put it away. BLU is such a superior DD over RDM that they can melee in all the events, like Voidwatch for example. That's why you always need 2 BLUs right? Because they do so much damage as a melee that you need at least 2 of them to ensure a win.

And when you go to Legion, you take a BLU to chain spell stun things to you don't have to use another PD....oh wait, that's not right either....

You need 2 BLU's for Proc'n not so much damage, which is w/e, I don't ever go to VW as a BLU, just too much BS (But yes, you can DD, just better if ya got an Almace to do it with). And Legion, I haven't done it, but spamming head butt and sudden lunge, I imagine would fulfill the same as a chain spell Stun, yet again, haven't done legion yet. And no I don't troll, I add input which is why my posts don't get removed for trolling. Because when I post, I object and generally add what I imagine to be the proper fix. So throwing around trolling is cute, but not really what I do here. I just want to be sure where RDM goes, because I don't want it stepping on my toes as the other classes I play, even though I will willingly admit, I truly do have some hatred for the class because of the attitudes around it, but I still do as I mentioned in the above. Yet my opinion has been said, and if this goes into another DD RDM BS I'll be back again and leave again when I'm finished, so see ya til than RDMs.

[Demon6324236]

You need 2 BLU's for Proc'n not so much damage, which is w/e, I don't ever go to VW as a BLU, just too much BS (But yes, you can DD, just better if ya got an Almace to do it with). And Legion, I haven't done it, but spamming head butt and sudden lunge, I imagine would fulfill the same as a chain spell Stun, yet again, haven't done legion yet.

You missed the point entirely.

And no I don't troll, I add input which is why my posts don't get removed for trolling. Because when I post, I object and generally add what I imagine to be the proper fix. So throwing around trolling is cute, but not really what I do here.

Not much to say about this, if it is truly your opinion that RDM should suck, then I am sure we don't need you around our forum.

I just want to be sure where RDM goes, because I don't want it stepping on my toes as the other classes I play

Not sure what jobs you play but I doubt giving RDM the ability to actually melee more effectively wouldn't hurt you in the slightest.

even though I will willingly admit, I truly do have some hatred for the class because of the attitudes around it

...you hate RDM? Well no wonder.

but I still do as I mentioned in the above. Yet my opinion has been said, and if this goes into another DD RDM BS I'll be back again and leave again when I'm finished, so see ya til than RDMs.

You can come back, doesn't matter much. RDM has a Sword for a reason. AF, Relic, Mythic, Emp, Abyssea JSW, and many other unique swords, are all for RDM, and all are sword weapons, not staffs, or clubs. RDM has light melee gear, not as much as BLU much to my displeasure, but it has gear for it. RDM has spells designed for melee specifically, En-spells, Temper, the like. You cant run away from the fact you may hate most, RDM is a hybrid job, and is much meant to be melee as it is to be mage.

Giving RDM more powerful buffs for its melee, would have next to no negative effects on other jobs, at all, except we might actually be able to participate in a front line position more often, as we were, and are being designed to be able to. I don't think SE plans for RDM to always be a back line job for everything otherwise En-spells, Temper, Spikes, and the numerous swords for RDM, wouldn't exist.

[ManaKing]

You need 2 BLU's for Proc'n not so much damage, which is w/e, I don't ever go to VW as a BLU, just too much BS (But yes, you can DD, just better if ya got an Almace to do it with). And Legion, I haven't done it, but spamming head butt and sudden lunge, I imagine would fulfill the same as a chain spell Stun, yet again, haven't done legion yet. And no I don't troll, I add input which is why my posts don't get removed for trolling. Because when I post, I object and generally add what I imagine to be the proper fix. So throwing around trolling is cute, but not really what I do here. I just want to be sure where RDM goes, because I don't want it stepping on my toes as the other classes I play, even though I will willingly admit, I truly do have some hatred for the class because of the attitudes around it, but I still do as I mentioned in the above. Yet my opinion has been said, and if this goes into another DD RDM BS I'll be back again and leave again when I'm finished, so see ya til than RDMs.

Wow so you are just a troll. Don't know about how CCS is better than BLU. Well it is. You're not asked to come BLU when a mob has to be locked down with stuns because your stuns can be resisted and miss. Which is why you don't go to Legion. Ours can not miss or be resisted unless it is a mechanic that was specifically built in by SE to prevent CCS.

Your job didn't exist when I started playing. You don't have any toes to step on and you step on everyone's toes. You're repugnant and a hate monger. I would tell you to go somewhere else, but you clearly are bored and have nothing better to do. You don't even full time your supposed favorite job, BLU, by going to events as it, so you possibly know less about your job than I do. You have no pride and thus no respect from me. I full time my RDM everywhere, even the places where supposedly RDMs don't get invites to. If you can't do the same with your amazingly superior BLU, then maybe BLU isn't as good as you make it out to be...because it's not.

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By design, RDM was supposed to share similarities with other jobs, but offer something different, such as refresh, dispel, and gravity. We all know how that went. SE put us back in the game with Temper as far as WAR goes and WHM was adjusted with the adjustment to healing magic. We are behind in our likeness to BLM and that is a big problem.

When the OP mentioned STOP I was pretty happy, because it actually makes sense for RDM. Most of the time, these posts are a ton of elaborate things that people would like for themselves. Things like Stop are simple and would actually add value to RDM as a whole. If not Stop, then Stun. Give RDM either and RDM will have more flexibility with sub jobs, because it won't require /BLM or /DRK to be viable in full alliance content.

In close, Chain Spell Stun is our best trick and you should never forget that. If they start to lower the recast time of Chain Spell, we will be more useful. Having native Stun or Stop, would actually help RDM because you could go /whatever.

[Demon6324236]

But if they have no one to fight with they leave, then we get no amusement from it D: