Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

[Byrth]

Byrth, I do agree with you on overwriting aftermaths. Even though it does add a new dimension to using the weapon it's more annoying than anything. ODD on your offhand I can't agree with though. You are dual wielding for the insane damage increase from the delay reduction already. It's a trade off. Sure 2Hs get the ODD on all hits but they also have 20-30% less delay reduction in most situations. There's also the potential stat increases from your offhand like Triple att +3% or Waltz potency or w/e. If you want ODD on all hits then you have to give up your DW delay and sub a shield =)

2H Empyreans (like Ukon) also WS harder due to their higher base damage, which makes up a lot of ground. This is less true inside abyssea than it will be outside. 1H weapons have always had the DPS advantage, and 2H weapons make up the difference with much stronger WSs. Denying 1H weapons OADD on the offhand makes the Empyrean Aftermath that much less attractive. If Rudra's gave 30% ODD to both hands, I'd be using it over Dancing Edge outside of Abyssea. As it is, Dancing Edge is better for my overall damage.

This is all considering a WS at 100TP which for SAM of all jobs doesn't happen a lot. Sekkanoki is an Auto 200tp WS, conserve TP, Meditate, DAs, TAs, Ikishoten procs, Moonshade earring all lean in Fudo's favor and come into play quite often.

Ah yeah. It loses even at 100TP due to the 15 STR, but it gets crushed with Moonshade and stuff.

[Insaniac]

2H Empyreans (like Ukon) also WS harder due to their higher base damage, which makes up a lot of ground. This is less true inside abyssea than it will be outside. 1H weapons have always had the DPS advantage, and 2H weapons make up the difference with much stronger WSs. Denying 1H weapons OADD on the offhand makes the Empyrean Aftermath that much less attractive. If Rudra's gave 30% ODD to both hands, I'd be using it over Dancing Edge outside of Abyssea. As it is, Dancing Edge is better for my overall damage.

Are you basing this on DNC? I thought we were talking about THF. DNC isn't a strictly DD job and shouldn't be doing anywhere near the damage a true DD is doing. If you are on THF your rudras are going to be on par with or better than Ukko's outside of abyssea. You have to expect discrepancies between different classes of jobs. Atmas have made us forget that we aren't all true DD classes.

[Insaniac]

I agree. Empyreans don't need nerfing. It's nice that people can get an amazing weapon with out killing themselves or spending millions and millions of gil. Relics and Mythics need boosts. They deserve to be on par. Most relic WSs sucked in the first place and now SE puts out weapons that are easier to get, only have 1-3 less base damage, have stat boosts instead of superfluous att or acc and come with an aftermath that puts all relic aftermaths to shame. If you argue that as fair you aren't being objective. With the level 90 update on relics and mythics I'm hopeful that SE is working towards a balance but most weapons and WSs have a LONG LONG way to go before they compete. My heart breaks for Kikoku NINs every time I see a 6k Blade: Hi.

[MarkovChain]

I agree. Empyreans don't need nerfing. It's nice that people can get an amazing weapon with out killing themselves or spending millions and millions of gil.

But they need to make new relic weapons to balance and give people goals. I guess they'll wait for level 99 for that though.

[Insaniac]

But they need to make new relic weapons to balance and give people goals. I guess they'll wait for level 99 for that though.

SEs new style of design is to give us lots of attainable goals instead of a few nigh impossible ones. I really like the new style and I don't feel like new really hard to get weapons need to be made. Relics and Mythics need to be kept relevant though for the sake of the people who already put in the work.

[MarkovChain]

SEs new style of design is to give us lots of attainable goals instead of a few nigh impossible ones.

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

[Michaeluk]

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

Lol surely you have to be trolling with this comment.

Wow Just Wow.

[Insaniac]

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

Every single lvl 85 empyrean is attainable by anyone with 2 friends. The only lvl 90 that potentially needs more than 3 people is the Briareus path cause of the stuns needed on Apademak. Don't argue, I've killed every Emp dropping NM with 2-3 people.

[Cenz]

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

um... yes and no... I did as anyone can do .... 85-90 with shout groups ... 6 man dragua for my 90 verethagna... this is not the case with apademak.... but the "jormy" would be the same as dragua easy fights just takes a little longer... Chloris was way more of a pain to farm but easy kill ... and lol @ camping f'n Amun against 3 other ls's every day ... which i also did with alot of shout groups so i didnt have to make my ls do the weapon for me ;p... while i am a veteran player... my group was surely not

[Tsukino_Kaji]

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

You just have to beat abyssea and brew everything.