Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

[Dew]

There are a few Empyreans that are a lot weaker then the rest. Ex. Masamune, Tachi: Fail isn't that good. Before anyone says this or that, I have Lv.90 Masamune and yes it is kind of weak. Look at Almace, Kanagi, Gandiva, H2h, and GA all of those are far better then some of the other Empyreans.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

There are a few Empyreans that are a lot weaker then the rest. Ex. Masamune, Tachi: Fail isn't that good. Before anyone says this or that, I have Lv.90 Masamune and yes it is kind of weak. Look at Almace, Kanagi, Gandiva, H2h, and GA all of those are far better then some of the other Empyreans.

For being a kasha reskin, it still beats gekko.

[Vortex]

There are a few Empyreans that are a lot weaker then the rest. Ex. Masamune, Tachi: Fail isn't that good. Before anyone says this or that, I have Lv.90 Masamune and yes it is kind of weak. Look at Almace, Kanagi, Gandiva, H2h, and GA all of those are far better then some of the other Empyreans.

This is simply because of abyssea, if you look at verd, kannagi they are devestating due to the critical boost they get since the WS are critical damage based, this is why DRK is not getting any love because none of their WS have a critical damage mod. i'm sure Tachi:fudo would excel outside but since everything is set on abyssea it will stay on the side lines.

[Alderin]

You have to understand that emp weapons are the DAMAGE PATH, so that's what they are good at, DAMAGE, unlike relics/mythics they cost 0 gill unless you want to be lazy and buy all your rare/ex item from people doing the work for you.

Honestly, i like the way they were done, aside from the reason just stated above they force you to WORK for them, unlike a relic where all you need is a bunch of gill that you probably bought or spent a ton of time accumilating and just dump it all into getting stage 3 with little work needed for the attenstation and fragment.

They didn't intend for them to be a copy of the relic or mythic ones, then what would be the point in the unique factor.

Disagree entirely. I even if relics were back up to par with Empyreans, I would much prefer to do an empyrean because not only does it cost a ridiculous amount of gil (Correct me if I am wrong as I don't own one, but ~200Million gil if you were to buy all the currency). If you ask me, that is a lot of fish and HQ elemental staves you need to craft.

A weapon that requires a little bit of grinding through trials (Killing lowby lottery NM's, a few VNM's that really doesn't take long - plus a bit more grinding in Abyssea) compared with something you need ~200 million gil for? I pick the grind anyday. It's not like you can get 200 million gil in a week.. Start to finish with a little bit of help, an Empyrean weapon can be done in a week. (At least upto the 85 version anyway).

If anything, relics are totally under powered now compared to Empyreans.

There is one thing I do agree with however - relics / mythics, much like old armour that was considered "the best" is now (for fail of a better term) old sh*t compared to a lot of the 76+ gear they have released. Empyreans are definitely not over-powered.

[Byrth]

I'd seriously like to see my suggestions put into effect, less to even the weapons out with Mythics/Relics and more to even them out with other 2H Empyreans. Also, the 300TP Aftermath overwriting thing would just make gameplay smoother.

Relics/Mythics are old content, but acting like they're entirely outdated is a little pessimistic. Some of them are still quite competitive or outright superior to their Empyrean alternative. Some others still have situational (often defensive) uses, even if they aren't the best damage option anymore.

[Byrth]

Tachi: Fudo is probably SAM's best WS, though Kaiten with a 90 Amano should beat it in some weird situations.

Kaiten (Amano 90) - 3.75 fTP, 60% STR
Fudo (Masa 90) - 3.65 fTP, 60% STR

Fudo is going to win most of the time though, because Masa 90 has 15 STR on it and Amano has.... 35 Acc. Only time Kaiten will be better than Fudo on average is when 15 STR (and the resulting ~12 Attack) fails to make up a .1 fTP difference.

In Abyssea it doesn't stack up, but outside of Abyssea the Empyreans are pretty balanced (ignoring ODD aftermath issues).

[Taint]

Tachi: Fudo is probably SAM's best WS, though Kaiten with a 90 Amano should beat it in some weird situations.

Kaiten (Amano 90) - 3.75 fTP, 60% STR
Fudo (Masa 90) - 3.65 fTP, 60% STR

Fudo is going to win most of the time though, because Masa 90 has 15 STR on it and Amano has.... 35 Acc. Only time Kaiten will be better than Fudo on average is when 15 STR (and the resulting ~12 Attack) fails to make up a .1 fTP difference.

In Abyssea it doesn't stack up, but outside of Abyssea the Empyreans are pretty balanced (ignoring ODD aftermath issues).

This is all considering a WS at 100TP which for SAM of all jobs doesn't happen a lot. Sekkanoki is an Auto 200tp WS, conserve TP, Meditate, DAs, TAs, Ikishoten procs, Moonshade earring all lean in Fudo's favor and come into play quite often.

[Nu-Hir]

I'm sure the Empyrean weapons will get all of their adjustments when they're level 99. Just look at them as unfinished weapons.

[Insaniac]

Fudo isn't THAT much better than lvl 90 Kaiten but it's about the aftermath. ODD is an insane damage boost. I've seen the same sam use both lvl 90 versions in all kinds of situations and there is no comparison. Almost every empyrean out performs and sometimes crushs their relic and mythic counterparts in and out of abyssea.

Byrth, I do agree with you on overwriting aftermaths. Even though it does add a new dimension to using the weapon it's more annoying than anything. ODD on your offhand I can't agree with though. You are dual wielding for the insane damage increase from the delay reduction already. It's a trade off. Sure 2Hs get the ODD on all hits but they also have 20-30% less delay reduction in most situations. There's also the potential stat increases from your offhand like Triple att +3% or Waltz potency or w/e. If you want ODD on all hits then you have to give up your DW delay and sub a shield =)

Also (whoever said it)please stop belittling the gil. How many people do you actually think dropped 3k dollars to buy a relic? There is no way its more than 1%. Most of us worked very very hard for either the gil or the currency or the points required to DKP a relic. It's hundreds of hours of work compared to a few days. My chloris path probably took me 16-18 hours total and about half of that was 3 manned. Ranting... sorry. Get kinda worked up about this subject.

[Michaeluk]

Also (whoever said it)please stop belittling the gil. How many people do you actually think dropped 3k dollars to buy a relic? There is no way its more than 1%. Most of us worked very very hard for either the gil or the currency or the points required to DKP a relic. It's hundreds of hours of work compared to a few days. My chloris path probably took me 16-18 hours total and about half of that was 3 manned. Ranting... sorry. Get kinda worked up about this subject.

Exactly the same here, sick of hearing people harp on about its only gil, and dynamis the point is these people are only saying it because they have easy mode empyreans and most won't have had a relic. I myself have both my mandau took me 2 years of hard work to get the gil i did dynamis twice a week i didnt buy none of the rare/exs.

My twashtar took me 5 days to make from start to finish. So i could careless if some of these people are saying its old content who cares if its old it took much more hardwork than empyreans and the final 99 weapons should reflect this, one can only hope. Let's not forgot these almost as manys empyreans in existance now as there is relics and look how long each set of weapons has been out, give it another 5 months and im sure there will be more empyreans in existance.

Takes longer to do the trials for the 85 relic to 90 than to actually make a full empyrean, anyways im sure no matter what is said on here se will boost relics to the top at 99 and one things for sure well find out soon enough .