Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

[Greatguardian]

Most Relic owners I know got with the times ages ago and got themselves an Empyrean anyways. If people wanted the best gear in the game to come from Rise of the Zilart, we'd still be swooning over Adaberks 8 years later.

Also, buff my Verethragna please ^_^

[Taint]

Most Relic owners I know got with the times ages ago and got themselves an Empyrean anyways. If people wanted the best gear in the game to come from Rise of the Zilart, we'd still be swooning over Adaberks 8 years later.

Also, buff my Verethragna please ^_^

This is very true. I put in 100x the effort for my 90poc then I did my 90masa. Anyone that had an 85 relic before the trial nerfs and now has a 90 relic would find doing any Emp easy, fast and enjoyable in comparison. My Apoc still means a ton more to me even though DRK is a dead job and Apoc is now the 3rd best Scythe.

[Greatguardian]

I highly doubt Byrthnoth has any sort of gear limitations.

[TearValerin]

As it is now, every Empyrean is essentially the same weapon.

Build TP to 100, 200, 300, get an identical aftermath. There aren't anything that focuses on job abilities or traits, like mythics, and there's no great special effect, like on relics (Increases critical hits on Ragnarok, Enhances counter on Spharai, Amano's ability to weaken attacks, etc.)

That being said, I think it would add uniqueness to Empyrean weapons giving each of them its own specific special quality to separate them from one another. DMG wise, they're in the middle of relics and mythics and on each end of that, you have enhancing qualities to either job abilities or the weapon itself.

Empyrean weapons should also have this.

Not quite sure what game you are playing, but plain and simple, empyrean weapons are the strongest weapons avaliable currently. They do not need an adjustment, nor do they need a fancy bonus. They out damage relic weapon skills by nearly double, and make their weaponskills look like a joke. They do not need any further improvement.

[Vinceroth]

i haven't read everything in this thread to know if someone has posted this, but why complain about empy weapons when there will be 1 more lvl cap increase and SE will increase the stats on said weapons to 99? silly for someone to actually complain about that when they haven't even been increased to full potential yet

[Cream_Soda]

It's not so much as a complaint as a suggestion of what can be done when it is upgraded next.

[Kirschy]

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Byrth, have you noticed if ODD can proc more than once per attack round? Annoying as it is that 1H and H2H can only proc on one hit, I find it more annoying that ODD can only proc during the first hit of the attack round (first hit of the off-hand round for H2H*), otherwise it doesn't proc at all. I haven't done complete thorough testing on it, but it seems to work this way.

[Byrth]

Only? Where's the other 800'ish?

Average outside Abyssea assuming no Minuets or Chaos Roll, not maximum. DNC with Red Curry Buns, so not SA-WS either.

Maybe a bit off-topic, but Byrth, have you noticed if ODD can proc more than once per attack round? Annoying as it is that 1H and H2H can only proc on one hit, I find it more annoying that ODD can only proc during the first hit of the attack round (first hit of the off-hand round for H2H*), otherwise it doesn't proc at all. I haven't done complete thorough testing on it, but it seems to work this way.

I use my DNC AF3+2 set with Haste Samba all the time, so it's hard to say absolutely for sure but I think can get an ODD proc on any Twashtar-related swings. So if I TA on the Twashtar swing I can proc on those three hits (independent probability for each). I'm fairly sure I once got 2 1k damage hits from a DA (Set proc and ODD at the same time) against Fear Deargs. I doubt I'll be able to find it in my logs though.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Average outside Abyssea assuming no Minuets or Chaos Roll, not maximum. DNC with Red Curry Buns, so not SA-WS either.

Oh DNC, that explains it. lol

[TearValerin]

The problem with Rudra's Storm iss it's lack of a chance to critical, relying on a forced crit every 2 minutes. It's not like it matters when DNC has access to so many other chains for self-darkness, that it doesn't really matter. Twastar + AF3+2 set bonus + AM is pretty scary for a job that isnt a primary damage dealer that can near cap its delay reduction. Stinky ws doesn't equate to needing buffs on a weapon though :|.

The skills that need help the most are ones like Cammlanns Torment (lolwheelingthrust) that make you wonder why bother when the mythic is just that much better.