Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

[Vivik]

You don't care about relic holders because you are mad you could never get one. This pretty much sums up everyone who trolls people with relics.

Dynamis is boring and I'm glad they are making getting a relic less of a time sink. Mad, no. I have always accepted the fact that I could not invest the time into getting one. But I have helped a few friends with theirs.

[Ica]

To attack a person to attack or ague for the sake for arguing is violate the ToS.

Good thing no one attacked relic holders in this thread then, they just stated their opinion!

[Cream_Soda]

You don't care about relic holders because you are mad you could never get one. This pretty much sums up everyone who trolls people with relics.

Mad is about what sums up relic holders, lol

[Insaniac]

I'm not upset about people like that guy who's name starts with a V on the previous page. It's only natural.. as they say, "Haters gonna hate". It does bother me that there is an imbalance of effort vs. reward though. I did an empyrean and I fully support both mythic and relic being equal or superior. Even if I didn't also have a relic I would feel the same way. Effort should always reflect reward no matter how long ago that effort was put forth.

[Insaniac]

Ugh this has ceased being an interesting conversation. I always notice this about 30 posts too late. Our points are made and any reasonable, objective observer can see them. I'm out~

[MarkovChain]

Hmmmm last I heard, minimum requirement to enter salvage was 3 ppl? Also, its awesome knowing its possible to duo Odin, Gurfurler the Menacing, Medusa, and Mamool Beastman king (forgot the name).

ToAU stronghold hnm are easy with +15 levels, and yes you can enter salvage with 2 you are a bit late to the fest, although it would be dumb to collect alexandrites this way.

edit : nvm getting odin's title is too hard with +15 levels haha.

[Francisco]

You're right... screw everyone who devoted 100x the effort to their weapons because they did it first when it was harder to obtain..... Worst. suggestion. ever.

Just because something is old doesn't mean it should be obsolete, hence the reason SE is trying to keep relic/mythic in the race.

Welcome to 2011.

No matter the time, effort and gil you sink into a piece of equipment - it doesn't give you a permanent license to be "the best".

[Greatguardian]

Most Relic owners I know got with the times ages ago and got themselves an Empyrean anyways. If people wanted the best gear in the game to come from Rise of the Zilart, we'd still be swooning over Adaberks 8 years later.

Also, buff my Verethragna please ^_^

[Byrth]

I don't wanna get too deep in the DNC discussion because I'm not an expert on the job but giving any DW job ODD proc on both hands would drastically over power the 1H weapons. The combination of DW delay reduction and 30-50% ODD would be outlandish. It's balanced with 2hs as it is. Do the math for yourself and you will see what I mean.

I've done the math for myself, and that's why I'm posting here <.< It's not worth me using Rudra's Storm (1200 average) over Dancing Edge (1600 average) unless 30% ODD procs on both hands.

Dancer is always going to be a support class, because its single best DD-JA is a party-wide buff. They will be outdamaged by virtue of other people getting Haste Samba on top of their own single-target buffs like Hasso. However, I don't think giving 1H DDs ODD on both hands is really that unreasonable. If Bard gets another +1 March, I'll have to find myself an Airy Buckler.

14.5%+11%+15%+25%+10% = 75.5% with G-horn and AF3+2 hands

[Tsukino_Kaji]

A level 90 empyreal is only attainable to a small amount of harcore players just like relic and mythics, so no.

You just have to beat abyssea and brew everything.