Empyrean weapon needed adjustments

[Rambus]

I've done the math for myself, and that's why I'm posting here <.< It's not worth me using Rudra's Storm (1200 average) over Dancing Edge (1600 average) unless 30% ODD procs on both hands.

Dancer is always going to be a support class, because its single best DD-JA is a party-wide buff. They will be outdamaged by virtue of other people getting Haste Samba on top of their own single-target buffs like Hasso. However, I don't think giving 1H DDs ODD on both hands is really that unreasonable. If Bard gets another +1 March, I'll have to find myself an Airy Buckler.

14.5%+11%+15%+25%+10% = 75.5% with G-horn and AF3+2 hands

you sure this is not a gear issue on ws saying DE is your best ws?
Evisceration > Rudra's storm > darkness > (and if you manage it somehow) Radra's storm = darkness
you try this?

making ODD proc on DW hits would make THF way overpowered using this ws.

I am fairly sure people can get enough DEX to show evisceration's true power even outside abyssea

[Byrth]

you sure this is not a gear issue on ws saying DE is your best ws?
Evisceration > Rudra's storm > darkness > (and if you manage it somehow) Radra's storm = darkness
you try this?

making ODD proc on DW hits would make THF way overpowered using this ws.

I am fairly sure people can get enough DEX to show evisceration's true power even outside abyssea

If you work out the math, against a 346 DEF / 77 VIT / 77 AGI enemy (approximately a Dynamis monster, as far as I can tell), the maximum average damages with ideal gear outside Abyssea is:
Dancing Edge - 1709 damage
Rudra's Storm - 1301 damage
Pyrrhic Kleos - 1414 damage
Evisceration - 1523 damage

So I remembered 100 damage off for each of them, but the basic story is the same. I'd need to do 1333 damage with Twashtar between WSs to make up the damage lost between Dancing Edge and Pyrrhic Kleos. In a perfect world I could alternate WSs and go either Rudra's -> Dancing Edge -> Rudra's or Rudra's -> DEx2 -> Rudra's, the latter of which would definitely make Aftermath worth it for me but requires a bard.

I don't know, bottom line is that I don't see a compelling reason to make Aftermath apply only to the main hand (apart from keeping 2H DDs on top at the expense of 1H DDs).

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Dancing Edge - 1709 damage

Only? Where's the other 800'ish?

[Rambus]

If you work out the math, against a 346 DEF / 77 VIT / 77 AGI enemy (approximately a Dynamis monster, as far as I can tell), the maximum average damages with ideal gear outside Abyssea is:
Dancing Edge - 1709 damage
Rudra's Storm - 1301 damage
Pyrrhic Kleos - 1414 damage
Evisceration - 1523 damage

So I remembered 100 damage off for each of them, but the basic story is the same. I'd need to do 1333 damage with Twashtar between WSs to make up the damage lost between Dancing Edge and Pyrrhic Kleos. In a perfect world I could alternate WSs and go either Rudra's -> Dancing Edge -> Rudra's or Rudra's -> DEx2 -> Rudra's, the latter of which would definitely make Aftermath worth it for me but requires a bard.

I don't know, bottom line is that I don't see a compelling reason to make Aftermath apply only to the main hand (apart from keeping 2H DDs on top at the expense of 1H DDs).

Rudra's Storm > Evisceration> darkness is more damage then spaming DE by your numbers.

and DNC was not ment to be a pure DD ( even though it can be amzaing on this focus) it can heal too.

But I am not sure how you can consider that number on a crit ws that has DEX mod too seems strange.

the thing is if you make that ODD trigger on offhand on DW it can for THF and that be way to much damage.

the ODD on double attack is OP though in the aspect of mythics and relics.

[Capn]

In hopes of them doing this with the next trials? ^^ (90-99 is still not here yet!)

[Rambus]

In hopes of them doing this with the next trials? ^^ (90-99 is still not here yet!)

That is why people are here, if SE does not want to correct it now, it should be with those.

We are here making sure it happens or try show SE it should happen since it did not happen yet

Or it's just good fun because people get so upset!

To attack a person to attack or ague for the sake for arguing is violate the ToS.

[Ica]

To attack a person to attack or ague for the sake for arguing is violate the ToS.

Good thing no one attacked relic holders in this thread then, they just stated their opinion!

[Insaniac]

Ugh this has ceased being an interesting conversation. I always notice this about 30 posts too late. Our points are made and any reasonable, objective observer can see them. I'm out~

[Urteil]

To attack a person to attack or ague for the sake for arguing is violate the ToS.

Seriously?

[Insaniac]

I'm not upset about people like that guy who's name starts with a V on the previous page. It's only natural.. as they say, "Haters gonna hate". It does bother me that there is an imbalance of effort vs. reward though. I did an empyrean and I fully support both mythic and relic being equal or superior. Even if I didn't also have a relic I would feel the same way. Effort should always reflect reward no matter how long ago that effort was put forth.