BST DoT increase: A modest suggestion

[Olor]

Not all jobs will be eligible for every event.

except BST isn't eligible for ANY event really.

[Arcon]

except BST isn't eligible for ANY event really.

By any event you mean Odin v2, Neo Nyzul and Legion, I presume? I've seen BST used on pretty much everything else. Sometimes it's even wanted. Oldin without BST was a royal pain back in the day, and it's still useful to soak up 10k Needles. It's king in Dynamis, something I'm sure just slipped your mind, it's used en masse for pet strategies everywhere (like the 95 limit break Taru), and it's one of the best, if not the best general-purpose soloing job, soloing everything from VNMs to Abyssea NMs.

So what you mean is that BST isn't eligible for any group event with a strict time limit and steep damage requirements. In that case I agree. I just don't have a problem with it. Just like most of my jobs are never and will never be used for them. I'm either WAR or SMN. Not even THF, and if a THF is needed at all it's just a TH whore and will probably die anyway because it doesn't get the same support as any other DD.

[Malthar]

Sooo... You're saying that if bst can do as much damage as other mele then people would only opt for bst and other mele would never get chosen? That makes no sense. If bst could do as much damage as other mele they would be included, as well as the other mele, in endgame events such as voidwatch. The main reason bst doesn't get chosen is that it can't do as much damage as the other mele.

And I'm not saying that giving 15% haste to bst would solve all our problems, but it would be a start.

And to give an unqualified statement such as "15% haste is overpowered" without supporting argument is obtuse.

[Arcon]

Sooo... You're saying that if bst can do as much damage as other mele then people would only opt for bst and other mele would never get chosen? That makes no sense. If bst could do as much damage as other mele they would be included, as well as the other mele, in endgame events such as voidwatch.

Wrong. Other melee require healing, buffing and constant upkeep, pets don't. If BST did as much damage as regular melee they wouldn't be as good as them, they would be strictly better. So bringing other melee also requires buffers and healers, which take up additional slots in the alliance, whereas BST wouldn't.

And I'm not saying that giving 15% haste to bst would solve all our problems, but it would be a start.

And I'm saying BST doesn't have a problem. Your "TH nerf" didn't do shit to BST, it's still the best Dynamis farming job out there, and by a good margin. This is not your first suggestion to BST that stemmed from nothing more than you wanting your job of choice to be better for no reason other than you not feeling loved enough.

And to give an unqualified statement such as "15% haste is overpowered" without supporting argument is obtuse.

First of all, it's been pointed out before why that's the case, a few times already just in this thread. Secondly, I don't feel the need to because you suggested it exactly the same way, with no supporting argument whatsoever other than "I want it", same as with your Guttler thread.

Edit:

Who cares about Logwatch anyway?

The OP.

Also, prove that 15% Haste is overpowered, please cite parses and/or statistical data supporting your claim.

Asking for parses of something that doesn't exist, so if I can't provide them you think you win the argument? Clever move. But since you asked so nicely for an argument:
Pets can already get 14% Haste (not counting Run Wild or augmented 2hr). Another 15% brings the total to 29%. That's 86% delay versus 71% delay. That's a 21% increase in damage output. So you're asking for the already best farming job (by far) and one of the best, if not the best survivor jobs to increase their damage output by more than one fifth of its original value. Several times larger than that if Run Wild is active, even larger with the 2hr active, since Haste gets more beneficial the higher the value gets.

As I said before, BST currently rank up there with melee RDM when it comes to the validity of their requests. They're not satisfied with what they have (and unlike RDM, they actually have a lot at this point in the game) and want something their class wasn't designed for to compensate for imaginary needs.

[Caketime]

15% Haste is overpowered and it still wouldn't get your BST into Voidwatch. BST will never have a place in Voidwatch (other than a proccer if the alliance leader is in a good mood). Not all jobs will be eligible for every event. It would be nice if that was the case, but it's not and I'm willing to bet it will never be. And this is most definitely not a solution for that particular problem either. That's the same complaint that Mandau RDMs have for not being recognized as efficient melee. It's a matter of great importance to them, but they can't see that not every job can have the same capabilities in every department. If a BST DD could compare to other heavy DDs (which is the only way they'd be wanted in VW as DDs), no one would want regular DDs anymore, because BST could do damage as well as them, and several other things on top of it.

Who cares about Logwatch anyway? Also, prove that 15% Haste is overpowered, please cite parses and/or statistical data supporting your claim.

[Malthar]

A-ha! You're a beast hating troll, aren't you? I knew it!!!

[Caketime]

The OP.

The OP contains a general request to increase the effectiveness of Spur, VW wasn't mentioned specifically. The poster also doesn't mention VW specifically as the reason why Spur should be changed.

Asking for parses of something that doesn't exist, so if I can't provide them you think you win the argument? Clever move. But since you asked so nicely for an argument:
Pets can already get 14% Haste (not counting Run Wild or augmented 2hr). Another 15% brings the total to 29%. That's 86% delay versus 71% delay. That's a 21% increase in damage output. So you're asking for the already best farming job (by far) and one of the best, if not the best survivor jobs to increase their damage output by more than one fifth of its original value. Several times larger than that if Run Wild is active, even larger with the 2hr active, since Haste gets more beneficial the higher the value gets.

Please provide proof that Run Wild increases Haste. Also, what I'm getting from your post is that because we're good at farming and soloing 75 content we're not allowed to be viable for newer content? That's interesting.

[Arcon]

The OP contains a general request to increase the effectiveness of Spur, VW wasn't mentioned specifically. The poster also doesn't mention VW specifically as the reason why Spur should be changed.

I never said that. I said he cares about VW, because you asked me who did.

Please provide proof that Run Wild increases Haste.

No.

Also, what I'm getting from your post is that because we're good at farming and soloing 75 content we're not allowed to be viable for newer content? That's interesting.

You're not getting much. Not that I'd expect much, based on our previous encounters.

[Caketime]

If you can't provide simple proof then your claims are inaccurate at best. I love your taste in hats, by the way.

[Arcon]

If you can't provide simple proof then your claims are inaccurate at best.

No, they're spot on. I said specifically that I did not count Run Wild in my argument. So why should I provide proof for something that's not part of my argument?

I love your taste in hats, by the way.

Thanks.