The Problem with Red Mage . . .

[Crimson_Slasher]

Im still for the tandem clone buff, on say a 5-10 min timer, a fully buffed rdm able to clone al its buffs (and composure for durration) to another player would, if nothing else, promote lowman events (Duos? Trios? Salvage would be fun for this...)

However i wouldnt mind a pianisimo style buff for this. Ofcourse this would require the RDM be constantly buffing people... Just a fun idea to me. Like say a WAR suddenly getting Gainstr, Temper, Phalanx, stoneskin, blink, enspell, icespikes, composure, haste, aquaveil (for shadows? Dunno, would still be up) Regen/refreshII(again, still up) and protect/shellV in a single shot could be a fun thing. However that still wouldnt put us on frontline, just require we spend more time buffing ourselves. Doesnt mean i wouldnt like something like that.

[saevel]

It's why I'm so adamant for Faith and Brave, I like the concept of Temper, in that it grants a type of trait under spell format.

The idea of augmenting yourself via the means of spells to me is a really good idea, so while they're not the best at the jobs, they can augment themselves to be much better, but Temper isn't enough. More unique spells are needed.

Things like:

Magic Attack Bonus, Accuracy, Fencer, Conserve MP, Subtle Blow etc....

I've always been of this mind. RDM should have several self buffs that augment it's stats, this way a RDM could chose to be more proficient at mage tasks (MAB / Cure Pot / FC / ect..) or more proficient at melee tasks (DA / Atk / Acc / Haste).

I've said it many times and I'll keep saying it. RDM is composed of three jobs not one or two. WAR, WHM and BLM put together, not a WHM -2, BLM -2, or even a SCH -3 and most definitely not a BRD -2. People keep wanting to shove it into those roles because those are popular roles and while the specialists are always the best choice, there is enough wiggle room that they could pretend to fill the same role. In the past it most mostly being a WHM-1 and pretending that was fine.

[Demon6324236]

WAR
WHM
BLM
WAR+WHM=PLD
WAR+BLM=DRK
WHM+BLM=SCH
WAR+WHM+BLM=RDM

[Neisan_Quetz]

WAR
WHM
BLM
WAR-2+WHM-3=PLD
WAR(sacrificing HP for damage)+BLM-4=DRK
WHM-1(LA)+BLM-1(DA)=SCH
WAR-3+WHM-3+BLM-3=RDM

fixed (10char)

[Demon6324236]

What? You expect them to just throw everything from 1 job and another job into 1? No, they balanced it right, and they are what I said they are.

[Neisan_Quetz]

If you consider it balanced, well then.

[Demon6324236]

For the most part outside of RDM losing out on the melee aspects. PLD has the defense of WAR and some cure power. DRK has the attack of WAR with the ability to steal stats from their foe with magic. SCH can use high level and powered spells of both arts, however can not access the highest cures, or AoE nukes. RDM can use cures at a nice level, nukes are somewhat decent for their tier, but melee... kinda sucks.

[ManaKing]

It's why I'm so adamant for Faith and Brave, I like the concept of Temper, in that it grants a type of trait under spell format.

The idea of augmenting yourself via the means of spells to me is a really good idea, so while they're not the best at the jobs, they can augment themselves to be much better, but Temper isn't enough. More unique spells are needed.

Things like:

Magic Attack Bonus, Accuracy, Fencer, Conserve MP, Subtle Blow etc....

Temper is pretty much as good as it gets for us. We probably won't get traits because RDM has composure. I'm not really complaining, because that means our traits are based on our enhancing skill and well... mine is 500+

[Crimson_Slasher]

Plus side of spell based traits, potency can be improved up to a cap. However downsides of limitations based on level (Will be less effective at lower levels), Requires mp and management to maintain them, and requires major skilling to cap em. Not that skill isnt important and shouldnt be capped, but its true.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Temper is pretty much as good as it gets for us. We probably won't get traits because RDM has composure. I'm not really complaining, because that means our traits are based on our enhancing skill and well... mine is 500+

Perhaps as it stands now, but one day they may remove their heads from the sand.