The Problem with Red Mage . . .

[ManaKing]

Ok well for now goin by the logic you used, I ask for Athos due to my pimp hat being in that set, but I think SE would sooner change the model of the gear before giving it to RDM. I already said I want RDM to have the kinda stats were startin to see come out, my only thing is, like I said before, as we move forward the gear we got in the past will still be great, and we have no access which limits our progress. We are reliant on getting good gear from here on out, bad gear means we have little to fall back on while other jobs have tons of amazing gear in their past they have complete access to even if the future fails them.

In either case I have no wish to argue about it, I was simply pointing out how I see all of this, and it seems the past will be RDM's future downfall because we have to get alot of good gear consistently, and that doesn't seem likely to me.

Ok now I can see where you're going with this. Fair enough. Yes, we should be on Athos, because they stole our MFing pimp hat. Agreed. But that's it. If it has a pimp hat, we deserve to be on it via pimp hat and not because it makes sense otherwise.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

Don't remember where I posted it, but the torque is 5% Fast Cast according to the mine.

Orunmila's Torque Rare Exclusive
Neck
MP+30 Magic Accuracy+1
"Fast Cast" effect+5 Enmity-3
Lv99 All Jobs

[Demon6324236]

Hello new best Fast Cast neck for everything outside of Utsuitsui!

[Manakurei]

The real problem with RDM is that our A+ enfeebling skill, and our B+ enhancement skill don't matter because the spells that players care about do not scale, and enfeeblement is pretty much LOL worthy nowadays I hear.

[Kristal]

The real problem with RDM is that our A+ enfeebling skill, and our B+ enhancement skill don't matter because the spells that players care about do not scale, and enfeeblement is pretty much LOL worthy nowadays I hear.

Immunobreak and resistance adjustments help enfeebling spells land, but it's rather pointless when those enfeebles only affect the irrelevant portion of a mob's damage output. And because those changes affect everyone, not just RDM, it's still not worth a slot. It's not like Immunobreak is RDM-unique like THF's TH bonus or WHM's curative bonusses.

[Demon6324236]

Immunobreak weirdly had the same effect on RDM I thought it would as soon as they told us about it... almost no effect at all, except potentially reducing our use even farther.

[Glamdring]

Sorry for the Necrobump people, but that's kind of the point

SE, there is ALOT of viable discussion on here about making RDM once again, well, viable. A bit of response would be welcome.

While I do now have a 99 RDM it's not a job I use except to level magic skills (and sword). I'm not serious about it at all. That being said, I ALWAYS liked working with a good rdm (and this is coming from a brd, a rival in the buffer category). I would like to be able to work with them again. Now this isn't an issue for me when I build parties, but I normally don't do so. With end-game players all but ignoring rdms though it's about the only way I ever see one. And that's a problem.

Several of my friends were career rdms, and they've all but quit. It's not a rage quit, it's a boredom quit. You can see their point. They WANT to play the job they put so much time and effort into. Unfortunately, nobody else wants them to play the job. RDM is their favorite because they liked the playstyle, but SE has killed all content that favorred it, or else passed it on to scholar. Granted, this wasn't helped by RDM's last time in the sun, as a buffer/healer for bird meripos in ToAU which had already pigeon-holed them into pretty much a single role in a party. And I understand, some of the new content that was released was built to give whm a life again. I KNOW it isn't easy to make rdm relevant without sending someone else to the scrapheap, I don't know any rdms that are asking you to do so.

But read the thread! There are alot of suggestions in here that can give rdm new life, without killing sch, whm and blu. Just consider it, get back to the real rdms here, give them some kind of meaningful hope. Yes, I know you are going all-out on a new expansion to fight Mists of Pandaria and to keep the funds of those like myself who refuse to go back to 14. But RDM has been one of the most popular jobs in XI since day one! Think about it. Many have ALWAYS loved this job, and now they don't play it at all, unless they are soloing something. That's a problem... just show SOME indication that you are going to address it?

Seriously, Geo looks like it's going to take even more of the support role support from RDM (and that role is pretty much Kaput already) and Rune Fencer looks like it's going to take the tanking magic role that rdm could easily have been slotted into with only minor tweaking.

Ok, done with my mini-rant, hope it does some good for all of my former rdm friends... good luck guys.

[Babekeke]

I second what Glamdring says. And like Glamdring, I have RDM 99, but I don't ever play it. It's only use is for FCing with a war.
However, I have RDM friends who play and gear thier job so well that they are extremely good at it despite RDMs limitations. They can backup tank, they can heal, they can hold mobs, but you'll never see a shout in jeuno specifically asking for a RDM.

And that's a shame.

[Demon6324236]

Also seems to get turned down even when offered too.

[Manakurei]

I did the only thing I could do I simply quit the game altogether. I don't feel like dealing with SE anymore, I think I'm boycotting them along with Capcom...