The Problem with Red Mage . . .

[Neisan_Quetz]

Concession accepted, enjoy the rest of your day

[saevel]

Mana you've been talking in circles because you don't want to admit you were wrong. Eph is not better then STR Sword in any current build or situation. Almace and Excal are mostly equal but in situations were your fighting anything higher level then you are (level 100 or higher) Almace wins easily.

The moment you attempted to use your non-knowledge of game mechanics to justify yourself is where you messed up. Should of just taken the info and ran with it.

[Demon6324236]

Honestly I think this thread looks to be turning into a pissing contest of sorts I think.

[Demon6324236]

After testing it for about 10 minutes in Kuftal I have to say I actually doubt Excalibur's Additional Effect overwrites the effect of En-2 spells. I have been fighting Robber Crabs about 10 minutes removing all forms of Double Attack in order to make sure I was only seeing attacks of which would normally be effected by En-2s and in the 10 minutes I experienced not a single HP Proc. I am only using a lv85 Excalibur, however I would doubt that makes much of a difference, so I have to say for now that this is false until shown otherwise.

[ManaKing]

After testing it for about 10 minutes in Kuftal I have to say I actually doubt Excalibur's Additional Effect overwrites the effect of En-2 spells. I have been fighting Robber Crabs about 10 minutes removing all forms of Double Attack in order to make sure I was only seeing attacks of which would normally be effected by En-2s and in the 10 minutes I experienced not a single HP Proc. I am only using a lv85 Excalibur, however I would doubt that makes much of a difference, so I have to say for now that this is false until shown otherwise.

Go into aby. Equip triple attack atmas to save time. Put on enspell 2s. I'm doing it right now. Sorry you're unlucky.

[Demon6324236]

Go into aby. Equip triple attack atmas to save time. Put on enspell 2s. I'm doing it right now. Sorry you're unlucky.

You can not use Double or Triple Attack in testing this because the En-2 spells are only made to proc on the 1st hit of any attack around. This is why I said I removed all forms of Double Attack, as it gives false data since En-2s can not proc on the 2nd hit anyways. However if you are saying that you would use En-2s with Excalibur while knowing that you can not proc it on the 1st hit, and it only has a chance to proc on Double Attacks in the event they occur seems to be a flawed idea on how to use the weapon, and it seems as if you would be better off without any En-spell at all.

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Please redo your testing yourself, while removing Temper & all forms of Double Attack, and then repost your new results. If you find something different than I did I will go back and redo it for a much longer period, however so far it would seem my original findings were correct for now.

[ManaKing]

You can not use Double or Triple Attack in testing this because the En-2 spells are only made to proc on the 1st hit of any attack around. This is why I said I removed all forms of Double Attack, as it gives false data since En-2s can not proc on the 2nd hit anyways. However if you are saying that you would use En-2s with Excalibur while knowing that you can not proc it on the 1st hit, and it only has a chance to proc on Double Attacks in the event they occur seems to be a flawed idea on how to use the weapon, and it seems as if you would be better off without any En-spell at all.

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Please redo your testing yourself, while removing Temper & all forms of Double Attack, and then repost your new results. If you find something different than I did I will go back and redo it for a much longer period, however so far it would seem my original findings were correct for now.

I'm not going to go back and do my testing because my testing is my playing. When I said I'm RDM over 90% of the time I meant it. It goes off all the time for me. On the first hit, on the second hit. You read the chat log. If you've done all your Killshot trials for KoR, hopefully you've done them in aby and you had on Apoc and Lion to speed that up and make KoR hit harder.

Do your own homework or remain ignorant.

[Demon6324236]

Do your own homework or remain ignorant.

The sad thing is you wish to argue the point with me when I did my homework & tried it. The fact your idea was to use Triple Attack Atma to speed up the testing in itself shows that your idea of testing it was flawed from the start because that would taint your results more than help. In fact the very first thing you said in this post is

I'm not going to go back and do my testing

and yet you wish to tell me to do my homework or remain ignorant. I advise you to take the same advice, or show proof somehow that you are correct. Simply stating it will get you no where with me seeing as I already did my test of it, albeit short, but still around 300+ attacks I am sure, which means with the 10% proc rate you said HP procs have, I should have had 30. The chances in those 300 strikes with a 10% proc rate I would get nothing but En-2 effects seems unlikely at best.

Please redo your testing before insulting me further by assuming I was to foolish to understand how things work. Playing RDM alot is nice, I do it too, but I can tell you from my experience that what you are saying is wrong. If you are correct, then please show proof of it, redo your tests, and then my position will change accordingly. As for now you have given me no reason why my test would be incorrect, and rather instead told me how your test, or playtime, may be false results.

[Lilia]

>.< junk

Maybe you have only joytoy and relict af2 for melee, THEN you weaker as other melee jobs.....

The prob is not Rdm cant melee good enough, the prob is when rdm go with ~lvl75 equip.

Rly good equip Rdm can pull out good dmg. and can beat easy 08/15 blus,thfs,

Say the rdm cant good melee is junk......

[Calatilla]

>.< junk

Maybe you have only joytoy and relict af2 for melee, THEN you weaker as other melee jobs.....

The prob is not Rdm cant melee good enough, the prob is when rdm go with ~lvl75 equip.

Rly good equip Rdm can pull out good dmg. and can beat easy 08/15 blus,thfs,

Say the rdm cant good melee is junk......

Yeah......I don't think so. Even the best of the best geared melee RDM isnt coming close to a BLU. RDM doesn't have access to the kind of gear BLU does.