The Problem with Red Mage . . .

[ManaKing]

Tathlum/Smart Grenade/Astrolabe are pretty much identical if you don't need accuracy with Astro/Oneiros slightly ahead if you do

Rancor is best neck short of Portus, screw that damn Diabolos (there isn't a giant difference between either)

You could use nefarious if you don't want to get slapped around by the 10% increased damage taken.

[ManaKing]

2 people agreeing doesn't make either of them right, regardless of the situation. What you give up and where you fight changes the effectiveness of RDM and what will work best. If you want to go to VW or Aby with an Almace, I won't disagree with you. You're fine there. But everywhere else, you should use other tactics because they would be more effective.

[Neisan_Quetz]

2 people agreeing doesn't make either of them right, regardless of the situation. What you give up and where you fight changes the effectiveness of RDM and what will work best. If you want to go to VW or Aby with an Almace, I won't disagree with you. You're fine there. But everywhere else, you should use other tactics because they would be more effective.

Nah, the moment you proved you didn't understand basic game mechanics, fSTR, or how AM works is where you lost the argument

@above Rancor's +DT is hardly an issue on the very mobs you would typically melee on Rdm unless you're holding multiples, the only thing you don't have is a stun

[ManaKing]

Nah, the moment you proved you didn't understand basic game mechanics, fSTR, or how AM works is where you lost the argument

@above Rancor's +DT is hardly an issue on the very mobs you would typically melee on Rdm unless you're holding multiples, the only thing you don't have is a stun

'I speak in single sentences and thus are responded to in single sentences.'

[saevel]

No, we're not. We are talking about applicable situations where RDMs would melee and the actual merits of doing so. You know, actually playing the game as a RDM.....

Now for this. We were discussing the optimum melee builds for damage, thus we're using the highest damage output you can get. That means STR sword off hand and either Almace or Excal (with Almace being better on anything higher then you).

Now if we want to discuss situation use, upon which I mentioned earlier Sanus Ensis and PDT sword, then we can do that. Honestly "best" off hand weapon for RDM for melee situations is usually Sanus due to the cure pot / cure received and stats involved. There is something to be said for +13% Cure Pot and +10% Cure Received on a job that has native skill and Cure IV. Here your sacrificing 21 Attack for 2STR, 13MND and the cure effects while still maintaining a high DMG weapon. The PDT sword also comes into play for when your playing defensive and need to reduce the damage your taking.

Both of those are better "alternative / situational" weapons then Eph.

Now what this is really all about. Your butt hurt that we're telling you the STR Sword is your best off hand weapon. Maybe you don't have one or you don't want to spend the time / money to make one. You got lucky and got an Eph and your feeling attached to a rather rare item and want to use it.

I don't give a rats a$$ about the snowflake argument.

[ManaKing]

Now for this. We were discussing the optimum melee builds for damage, thus we're using the highest damage output you can get. That means STR sword off hand and either Almace or Excal (with Almace being better on anything higher then you).

Now if we want to discuss situation use, upon which I mentioned earlier Sanus Ensis and PDT sword, then we can do that. Honestly "best" off hand weapon for RDM for melee situations is usually Sanus due to the cure pot / cure received and stats involved. There is something to be said for +13% Cure Pot and +10% Cure Received on a job that has native skill and Cure IV. Here your sacrificing 21 Attack for 2STR, 13MND and the cure effects while still maintaining a high DMG weapon. The PDT sword also comes into play for when your playing defensive and need to reduce the damage your taking.

Both of those are better "alternative / situational" weapons then Eph.

Now what this is really all about. Your butt hurt that we're telling you the STR Sword is your best off hand weapon. Maybe you don't have one or you don't want to spend the time / money to make one. You got lucky and got an Eph and your feeling attached to a rather rare item and want to use it.

I don't give a rats a$$ about the snowflake argument.

Wow so essentially you just said, 'I've been wasting a ton of time talking about theoretical damage even though YOU started this by talking about actual builds and actually playing the game.' God you're such an idiot. You guys all get that I play RDM almost 90% of the time or more? I'm not talking about something I take out and drive on the weekends. So when you are talking about a pure damage situation, you aren't actually talking to anyone that actually plays RDM. You are talking about a theoretical parse that no one should do because you shouldn't be there on RDM trying to DD.

RDM is my utility knife that I go everywhere with and use to take on this entire game, because I said I wanted to do it that way. I go to Limbus, Dynamis, Sky, Salvage, Assault, Campaign, Aby, VW, Legion, and any place else I want to go. RDM can go to all of those places easily. All of your arguments don't actually apply to any of those events because a pure damage situations are none of those situations. There is no Pure damage situation for RDM.

I didn't pick the omni class to take up all my gear and focus it on something that isn't better than another perfectly viable option that gets the most out of my job. I would have to have some kind of secondary motivation for a decision like that. Like that I play BLU and my Almace is already built and I don't actually play RDM.

[Demon6324236]

I personally wouldn't use Rancor only because I do not like the extra damage taken and depending where you are fighting it can be very bad for you. 1 such instance is Dyna to me, as the main job I do Dyna as is RDM and more damage taken on me could prove dangerous especially against DCs.

[saevel]

I personally wouldn't use Rancor only because I do not like the extra damage taken and depending where you are fighting it can be very bad for you. 1 such instance is Dyna to me, as the main job I do Dyna as is RDM and more damage taken on me could prove dangerous especially against DCs.

That is acceptable, there is another option that is only 3% crit (vs 5) but removes the +10% DT penalty.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Nefarious actually lags abit to the point it's practically a Fortitude Torque. Although like most things in XI the difference between them is once again, not a giant margin (if I'm that worried about +DT I would switch neck)

[Demon6324236]

True, I rarely remember Nef outside of CDC for some reason, but it works as well.