Will there be camps in the new expansion?

[Takutu]

Will there will camps similar to pre-Abyssea camps, such as Kings, CoP Wyrms, etc?

[Tile]

you want them to add a HNM that drops 1 item that everyone wants 10% of the time and is a 72 hour repop?

[Takutu]

10% is a bit high, don't you think? But otherwise, yes.

[Trisscar]

No thanks, how about we have actually engaging endgame events instead?

[Reiterpallasch]

No thanks, how about we have actually engaging endgame events instead?

Like VW, where you have a ~1% chance of getting an item you really need, but that guy that doesn't need it just got his 3rd?

At least with HNM gear went to people who could use/needed/wanted the item, rather than the crap shoot that VW is.

[Trisscar]

Like VW, where you have a ~1% chance of getting an item you really need, but that guy that doesn't need it just got his 3rd?

At least with HNM gear went to people who could use/needed/wanted the item, rather than the crap shoot that VW is.

I'd rather have something like ZNM, personally.

Oh and your argument is rendered invalid by the existence of DKP. Do try again.

[Reiterpallasch]

I'd rather have something like ZNM, personally.

Oh and your argument is rendered invalid by the existence of DKP. Do try again.

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

I don't get why people don't understand that they can do both, similar to how some of the past HNM gear also dropped from events like einherjar. Just because the majority doesn't want something doesn't mean they can't please the rest as well. Pretty sure not very many people wanted bell commands/chocobo circuit/pankration/etc but we got it anyways.

Just because you fail at claiming and/or wouldn't know what to do with the mob if you got your hands on it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game.

Don't wanna camp HNM? Don't @#$%ing camp HNM.

[Trisscar]

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

No. This doesn't reward people who have 'earned' it, any more than any other event. If a person with useful jobs, geared appropriately, caped skills and is very helpful towards the shell but has two jobs, is a full time student and can't attend 100% they're naturally at a disadvantage over some jobless virgin with a huge sense of self entitlement living in their moms basement and can thus attend 100%...

But I suppose that appeals to you. Hmm, I wonder why that can be?

[Camiie]

Oops sorry "goes to people who earned it". Better?

"People who earned it" is rather subjective.

I don't get why people don't understand that they can do both, similar to how some of the past HNM gear also dropped from events like einherjar.

Einherjar wasn't always there. For YEARS, that gear was exclusive to HNM. If you couldn't or wouldn't do HNM you didn't have a shot at it. And, I've never seen Odin produce a Ridill or a D.ring, have you? Even now, stuff is generally still exclusive to the event it starts out with. Ok, AF3 seals do drop from other events, but I'm not seeing Legion gear in VW or Neo-Nyzul gear in WoE or vice versa.

Just because the majority doesn't want something doesn't mean they can't please the rest as well. Pretty sure not very many people wanted bell commands/chocobo circuit/pankration/etc but we got it anyways.

You're really comparing those things to what was once endgame?

Just because you fail at claiming and/or wouldn't know what to do with the mob if you got your hands on it, doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game.

Most of the people who despise HNM participated in it quite often and quite successfully. We don't hate it because we failed at it. We didn't fail at it. We hate it because it really, really sucked. It wasn't fun standing around waiting for something to happen.

Imagine standing around for 30minutes-3hours waiting for Bowser or Dr. Wily to randomly decide to show himself. Now imagine that Luigi or Proto Man are standing there along side you waiting to kill the boss themselves. If they touch it before you, you don't get your chance. The game then locks you out from trying again until 21 hours have passed. If you can't play during that window of time, you're just screwed until the next 21 hours have passed because somewhere in the ether your virtual rival and your main enemy are still going to be doing their thing.

Does that really sound like Game of the Year material to you?

[Camiie]

Like VW, where you have a ~1% chance of getting an item you really need, but that guy that doesn't need it just got his 3rd?

At least with HNM gear went to people who could use/needed/wanted the item, rather than the crap shoot that VW is.

What does that have to do with monster spawn conditions? You can still have a common treasure pool without 21-72+ hour NM spawns. Or are you saying only the people who are willing to sit with their thumbs up their <Rear> for hours on end can use/want/need good gear.