How about we get a feature thats way overdue.

[Mordanthos]

I think you're a critical part of the "except it is". This isn't Blizzard. It's Square Enix. All third party programs are against the ToA/ToS and people have been banned for them.

Edit: If you think that's stupid, that's fine but don't attack other people for stating the truth of the matter. That's stupid.

Well bravo SE, your officially retarded for banning people for using stuff that HELPS the game, and not makes the game give the player an unfair advantage over gameplay.

Thats the major difference. If we cant use ANYTHING, thats just stupid, cuz instead of us crying for things to change, we can just go and implement the change in a 3rd party program and everyone would just shut up. Bravo SE, FAILURE

[Harmless]

While agree this should have been implemented from the very start, it either can't be (like someone said a page back or so) or won't be for whatever reason. Also, while I agree with Mordanthos that having a third party program that streams your position on a mini-map wouldn't really give anyone an unfair advantage, sadly all of the programs that I am aware of offer more than just that. For example showing all mobs (alive & dead), npcs, ???'s ect.. on the map, combined with ability to filter out the items you do not want to see does give an unfair advantage.

And by definition, ANYTHING that is added to the game that is not packaged with the release or added via an update would be considered third party unless SE themselves release it for use. Even if it is something that SE wishes they could implement themselves.

[Corres]

Well bravo SE, your officially retarded for banning people for using stuff that HELPS the game, and not makes the game give the player an unfair advantage over gameplay.

Thats the major difference. If we cant use ANYTHING, thats just stupid, cuz instead of us crying for things to change, we can just go and implement the change in a 3rd party program and everyone would just shut up. Bravo SE, FAILURE

you are a Galka! you argument is invalid.
too stupid to type /map and check out where you are?
sry you don't belong in this game then.

there is absolutely no reason for SE to do this. At least not in 1-2 years

[RAIST]

I Agree there is PRobAbly a neeD or wAnt foR this.

lol good one.

Raist

[RAIST]

Third party programs are ok when it doesnt ENHANCE or give you an advantage while playing.

banning people for using stuff that HELPS the game, and not makes the game give the player an unfair advantage over gameplay

Unfortunately, you just kinda proved the point for SE. While using a 3rd party app to give you a minimap doesn't direclty alter the game, it does enhance YOUR particular gameplay and not anyone elses. By that simple definition, it alters the gameplay as a whole, no matter how insignificant the difference may be, it allows your client a feature that directly enhances YOUR gameplay, and it is something that is platform specific (only available on PC now).

But, more importantly... one of the more popular apps out there is contraband because of this:

all of the programs that I am aware of offer more than just that. For example showing all mobs (alive & dead), npcs, ???'s ect.. on the map, combined with ability to filter out the items you do not want to see does give an unfair advantage.

As for implementaion of the mini-map by SE...think it had to do with the different texture layers or something. The overlay is using "normal" D3D implementation (why 3rd party apps are able to render to it), while the game itself is rendered to off-screen texture and displayed differently and would require almost a complete rework of the engine to add it. To do it the way the 3rd party apps are doing it (rendering to the foreground layer) might expose them to more exploits or something (maybe another pos or claim hack), who knows why they won't do it... but they have their reasons.

Raist

[Alhanelem]

Clutter is somewhat of an issue on the PS2, but all that is needed to address this is an option tot urn the map graphic on or off.

But the compass radar already obscures your view as it is, so adding the map as a backdrop doesn't really make things worse.

I fully support this idea, and let it be known to all you people who say I'm a pessimist or disagree with everything.

[RAIST]

Unfortunately, SE has already considered it and said they can't do it. Not a matter of agreement or pessimism.

Raist

[Alhanelem]

If you are persistent enough, a way would be found. It would most likely just take more work than they're willing to put in, and/or the original people who designed certain parts of the program are no longer on the staff.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

If you are persistent enough, a way would be found. It would most likely just take more work than they're willing to put in, and/or the original people who designed certain parts of the program are no longer on the staff.

You know what the first step to the road to recovery is right?