The Melee Mage

[Nawesemo]

O.i.c, you want to see real dd #'s out of a rdm..... Geared properly, I just don't think its possible, they did make the other jobs for a reason ya know..... Think about it.... Rdm zomg I just did 7k with my almace at capped haste..... War >.>. /em throws his ukon in the dirt. Rdm does what its supose to, kudos to those who force more out of em and do things that others can't, but making rdm more gear to melee on par with "dd's" is just never going to happen..... Be a war you want to zomg, .... If you want to do it on rdm, that's cool to, but it was never ment to be on par with actual factual front line jobs.... They "can" but someone else probably will do it better, unless its casting slow 2, Dia 3 etc......

[Demon6324236]

O.i.c, you want to see real dd #'s out of a rdm..... Geared properly, I just don't think its possible, they did make the other jobs for a reason ya know..... Think about it.... Rdm zomg I just did 7k with my almace at capped haste..... War >.>. /em throws his ukon in the dirt. Rdm does what its supose to, kudos to those who force more out of em and do things that others can't, but making rdm more gear to melee on par with "dd's" is just never going to happen..... Be a war you want to zomg, .... If you want to do it on rdm, that's cool to, but it was never ment to be on par with actual factual front line jobs.... They "can" but someone else probably will do it better, unless its casting slow 2, Dia 3 etc......

You said RDM is a support job that can DD well, honestly thats not what it should be, or have ever been, it should be a hybrid that can do everything well, but not be the best at everything either.

Last part of everything I said. I am not saying in any way, shape, or form, that a RDM should out DD a WAR, SAM, DRK, MNK, or DRG... Please understand that before you bother to ever reply to anything I ever say about a RDM meleeing. I want RDM to have a more respectable amount of melee power, that is all. As I showed, we are very heavy on our mage side in every way, which goes against the entire idea of RDM being a Hybrid job. To add another instance, look at BLU, its a correct Hybrid job in terms of gear & abilities if you choose to be. BLU has the ability to get traits it needs for good DDing power, and is on great gear to cover it as well. A few instances of this are with these 2 sets...


Look at these sets and tell me if you notice a reoccurring job in here... BLU. BLU was put on Aurore, not the best pieces of gear for melee, but some basic stuff, it was also put on Teal. Now look where RDM is, its on the mage only piece, same with almost all of our traits. This is what I want changed, I want to stop losing out on every piece of good gear for melee that is made for light/1 hand DDs, but excludes RDM. More examples of amazing gear that leaves RDM behind are...

The closest RDM has to this, is...

The only advantage the RDM body has, is the STP. It has 3 more attack, but thats made up for by the 3 more STR Toci's has, Toci's also has DEX, something for 1 of our best WSs on Sword, and the best non-Relic/Merit Dagger WS for RDM as well. Not to mention the accuracy+10 along with it, something RDM needs for melee. The head is another case for this same set, RDM was left out, alot of STR on it, has a set bonus with a great body, and is one of the best Haste pieces, I would surely use it over Zelus if given the choice. The list goes on however, there is Athos and Thaumas as well, not to mention I'm sure there are even more pieces of gear that don't come to mind right now, but RDM is left off of them. The majority of the high end gear sets that RDM is put on is mage only gear, like...


Which is by no means bad, but notice that 2nd body, yet again, BLU takes a place on a great piece, and leaves RDM off of the other pieces such as...

Which are from the same event, same as Heka's/Toci's, Teal/Aurore, and again, BLU is on the mage pieces as well as the melee pieces.

To recap.
I do not want RDM to be the best DD ever, I want RDM to have a place as a DD, and receive melee gear.
I want RDM to be treated as a Hybrid, not a mage, it was clearly designed as a Hybrid at the start, it was the only job with access to both light & dark magic, while having the power to melee with multiple weapon types. RDM has also gotten a sword as every form of its weapon to go with the job, except Relic in which it also received dagger. AF, Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean, are all swords, which match the Hybrid nature of the job, but gear is at a loss because RDM only gets mage gear, unlike BLU which often gets both mage, and light DD gear from event gear sets.

I think my point on weapons has now been made.

Lastly I am not trying to offend you, troll you, or in any way insult you. However it seemed as if you ignored my points and instead went on to say that I was asking for something far different than what I said, and even seemed to ignore the end of my post as it goes completely against what you seem to believe I was saying.

Sorry to everyone that I took up half the page to say all of this, but I do seriously think RDM needs to be taken into consideration on how it is being acted upon in contrast to BLU, where it is given only mage related things for the most part, and has not been treated as the other Hybrid has.

[Demon6324236]

I would love to see some better WS pieces for RDM! We have been getting alot of haste as of recent, so I think its time to give us better gear to use our TP with!

[Ophannus]

RDM has gotten a few residual pieces for haste but nothing really amazing. TP pieces are even worse, though not as bad now that we have Dux Head/Body which is a decent upgrade from freakin' Antares Harness. We still lack a lot of attack though. Need some kind of 15-20% self target Attack Boost/Accuracy Boost spell based on Enhancing Skill; call it Saber to match Temper(from FF1)!

[wish12oz]

unless all the Wars and Drks are afraid the Mage is going to not heal them as they do 10x more damage than the mage.

fixed that for you.

[Nawesemo]

pft... no one else is asking for anything less it doesn't mean we're going to get it. this is goofy given rdm's history as the defacto uber solo job, Your trolling of my opinion that *cough I pay for just like you, is kind of ignorant, ignore me if you like but my opinion still stands. Rdm is fine and dandy in the melee department, focus on you know, being more magey with your abilities given to you or change jobs.

[Karbuncle]

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Listen closely and you can hear the sound of thousands of hands slamming into their owners faces.

and the best non-Relic Dagger WS for RDM as well

*BUZZER NOISE*: Wrong - Best Non-Relic Dagger WS for RDM is Exenterator, Which, Has a 100% AGI Mod, and that body is sexy as hell for it. Everything else though, i tend to agree.

RDM Is a hybrid job, Its just its melee side has been ignored by Square Enix to some extent... However you do have to remember Temper, which at best, Can offer 20% Double Attack! So in that reality, Its really way more Mage-oriented these days, Its simply how it is. The job has potential to be a hybrid, But it would need more help. Still, You must consider it does have some pretty decent potential, however, Like most if not all other Hybrid jobs, It will never truly excel at either side of its skill set, Mage or Melee.

Most Hybrid jobs are kinda boned because of how FFXI works, Hybrids aren't really needed or wanted. SCH and DNC Fail because of this reason.. SCH being a Hybrid BLM/WHM, and DNC Being a Hybrid Buffer/DD, Both fail pretty hard because neither side of their benefits really is worthwehile... SCH just has a place in our hearts cause of Embrava.

COR, However, is a Hybrid Buffer/DD, So it can be done... with the right help.

Long story short, as it stands now, RDM is really in a very sad state, But it can at least put both of its mediocre Qualities to use whenever possible (Mage and Melee Side)... Which is rarely, but still, a good player could easily maintain his Mage duties, and Melee duties, in something like Dynamis... If my brother comes RDM (Relic Trials, Or something), I have him come /DNC, his Requiscat's can easily hit 2k+ Even on some of the DC mobs we fight, It can be good if done right, Hell my SMN (And i have Screenshots here in the Shattersoul Thread) can hit 2.2k~3k+ Shattersouls, even /DNC.

Mages, Red mage specifically to this argument, will never reach the DPS and raw damage output of a real DD, But they can contribute, as long as there's no extreme factors (Breakga, Damaging AoEs you want to avoid, etc) - They can effectively help Make the big thing Die quicker, or in places like Dynamis, Help proc.

[Demon6324236]

Breakga

Actually 1 advantage to RDM. I will say that Resist Petrify does help at times, many times when I have been a RDM/NIN DD on Qilin I have taken Breakga and just brushed it off so I can continue beating the NM down while everyone else is standing around!

[Tile]

Actually 1 advantage to RDM. I will say that Resist Petrify does help at times, many times when I have been a RDM/NIN DD on Qilin I have taken Breakga and just brushed it off so I can continue beating the NM down while everyone else is standing around!

thats why i use a Fool's during Qilin, makes me sleep and break proof