Hardcore players!

[Luvbunny]

NOTE: not everyone have a full PT of friends or can plays when all your friends are playing.

Something that the players(with alot of time available) have an advantage is: "time to shout" for unpopular events, I started the game 4 months ago from 0, the game is alot more fair for most of players, but we already can see the game struggling to keep some events alive, things like seal farm PT, nowdays you need to shout for around 1-2 hours or go duo, trio w/o all triggers; Limbus is dead and I'll need to do it "if" I want new limbus upgraded armors, I need to work really 'hard' 'IF' i don't want to rely on luck while doing "new" nyzul isle and I still need to do old nyzul isle, and they share the same assault tag.

Ok this is somewhat baffling - you mean you have no LS with at least 1-2 people who also need seal farming? Or you do not have anyone in your friend list who could help you? I understand seal farming shout has been diminished now, but still it is not that hard to do at all, most of the hand, leg, head, feet seal can be soloed as thief if you really have no one helping. A beast/ninja + blm/whm can duo easily and have access to two of the most common yellow trigger. Even a blue/ninja + blm/whm can work as combination for a lot of these NMs and you have access to 3 triggers. Yes this means that you may want to at least level thief, blue, beastmaster, whm and blm. With how easy these days to reach 99, that should not even be a problem. The old limbus can be done with 3-4 people. Find a friend who dual box. I totally understand about assault and nyzul, which can be somewhat of a drag to do - you should try harder on shouting since I guaranteed that you are not the only person in the server with this problem. A lot of casuals and returning players are having the same problems and probably do not know where to begin. For this - making static is the way to go - and it is not any harder making one now than making one in the old days. If anything the majority of the contents are now extremely casual friendly - all you need is 1-2 people, and if you cannot find at least 1-2 or having 1-2 friends, then either dual boxing or play a solo offline game. At the very least there are a good 30% contents that can be soloed as beastmaster.

[Waldrich]

Ok this is somewhat baffling - you mean you have no LS with at least 1-2 people who also need seal farming? Or you do not have anyone in your friend list who could help you? I understand seal farming shout has been diminished now, but still it is not that hard to do at all, most of the hand, leg, head, feet seal can be soloed as thief if you really have no one helping. A beast/ninja + blm/whm can duo easily and have access to two of the most common yellow trigger. Even a blue/ninja + blm/whm can work as combination for a lot of these NMs and you have access to 3 triggers. Yes this means that you may want to at least level thief, blue, beastmaster, whm and blm. With how easy these days to reach 99, that should not even be a problem. The old limbus can be done with 3-4 people. Find a friend who dual box. I totally understand about assault and nyzul, which can be somewhat of a drag to do - you should try harder on shouting since I guaranteed that you are not the only person in the server with this problem. A lot of casuals and returning players are having the same problems and probably do not know where to begin. For this - making static is the way to go - and it is not any harder making one now than making one in the old days. If anything the majority of the contents are now extremely casual friendly - all you need is 1-2 people, and if you cannot find at least 1-2 or having 1-2 friends, then either dual boxing or play a solo offline game. At the very least there are a good 30% contents that can be soloed as beastmaster.

ok, I got it, anyway some of those "way to go" you just told me could be easily avoided by Square Enix, that's what I want them to avoid in the future, when planning an event and keeping its longevity.

Very sorry if my ideas was flawed as hell, I'll admit I was angry when I first made this thread, but this game is a pain in the ass if you don't have some friend to tag along.

I'm sorry Tamoa and thanks for answering this "dumb" thread.

/end discussion.

[Tamoa]

ok, I got it, anyway some of those "way to go" you just told me could be easily avoided by Square Enix, that's what I want them to avoid in the future, when planning an event and keeping its longevity.

Very sorry if my ideas was flawed as hell, I'll admit I was angry when I first made this thread, but this game is a pain in the ass if you don't have some friend to tag along.

I'm sorry Tamoa and thanks for answering this "dumb" thread.

/end discussion.

Hey, no need to apologise - and either way I'm sorry too, I probably came across as a bit of a bitch in my first post. It's just that sometimes the amount of posts on this forum, asking SE to gimp everything to hell and back (in my eyes), gets really annoying, and I took your OP as being one of those posts.

I understand it can be frustrating being a new player, when the vast majority of the player base is miles ahead of you. And I totally agree that SE needs to make this game as enjoyable as possible for all kinds of players, both hardcore and casuals. But by comparing today's FFXI to pre-abyssea FFXI, I'd say they've come a long way towards succeeding in that. I don't approve of all the changes they've made to the game, by all means. But I do believe it's easier now for a new player than it ever was before.

We all get frustrated with this game at times, for one reason or another. For years my biggest problem was being EU, because finding EU linkshells that successfully did endgame events could be a pain in the backside. So for example, I never did Einherjar until 3 years ago, when I joined an endgame linkshell on Pandemonium which while being mainly NA, still tried to do Einherjar at a time when their EU members could participate. Same with salvage, I didn't actually do salvage until well after the infamous salvage bans in January 2009.

Anyways, I'll stop before this post gets too long. Just don't give up, keep your eyes open for shouts, and you'll get there.

[Waldrich]

Hey, no need to apologise - and either way I'm sorry too, I probably came across as a bit of a bitch in my first post. It's just that sometimes the amount of posts on this forum, asking SE to gimp everything to hell and back (in my eyes), gets really annoying, and I took your OP as being one of those posts.

I understand it can be frustrating being a new player, when the vast majority of the player base is miles ahead of you. And I totally agree that SE needs to make this game as enjoyable as possible for all kinds of players, both hardcore and casuals. But by comparing today's FFXI to pre-abyssea FFXI, I'd say they've come a long way towards succeeding in that. I don't approve of all the changes they've made to the game, by all means. But I do believe it's easier now for a new player than it ever was before.

We all get frustrated with this game at times, for one reason or another. For years my biggest problem was being EU, because finding EU linkshells that successfully did endgame events could be a pain in the backside. So for example, I never did Einherjar until 3 years ago, when I joined an endgame linkshell on Pandemonium which while being mainly NA, still tried to do Einherjar at a time when their EU members could participate. Same with salvage, I didn't actually do salvage until well after the infamous salvage bans in January 2009.

Anyways, I'll stop before this post gets too long. Just don't give up, keep your eyes open for shouts, and you'll get there.

I'm brazilian and my english isn't enough to do proper arguments against your posts XD I'll just send you a tell to "try" to explain you my point of view

[Tamoa]

There's nothing new in what you're saying though - players with more available time have always had an advantage on those with less available time. And back before Abyssea and level cap increase you pretty much HAD to have a group/ls to do things with, you couldn't solo dynamis, you couldn't solo limbus, you couldn't solo salvage, you couldn't solo sky (unless you were a really good rdm and then only a few select nms), you couldn't solo missions - and you sure as hell couldn't level a job in a few hours. Starting a game as old as FFXI is, as recently as you have, you're going to have to expect the majority of players being ahead of you.

To be blunt, it sounds more like you have a problem with people that have accomplished more than you because they have played this game for a long time. I'm sorry, but that's what it comes across like.

[Waldrich]

There's nothing new in what you're saying though - players with more available time have always had an advantage on those with less available time. And back before Abyssea and level cap increase you pretty much HAD to have a group/ls to do things with, you couldn't solo dynamis, you couldn't solo limbus, you couldn't solo salvage, you couldn't solo sky (unless you were a really good rdm and then only a few select nms), you couldn't solo missions - and you sure as hell couldn't level a job in a few hours. Starting a game as old as FFXI is, as recently as you have, you're going to have to expect the majority of players being ahead of you.

To be blunt, it sounds more like you have a problem with people that have accomplished more than you because they have played this game for a long time. I'm sorry, but that's what it comes across like.

not really, I just want to see more "new" people in the game, then me and whoever is starting the game now can do old contents.

[scaevola]

Logging into the game every day for multiple hours to work on the same thing for a month or more straight is probably a good working definition of hardcore for my tastes. This would still include Relics/90 Emps; the fact that they are not strictly speaking difficult doesn't mean the dogged pursuit of them over a significant period of time isn't hardcore.

Hardcore or not is really a question of how much of a priority you make the game in your life, not really the difficulty of the content you do (which, of course, you the player have no control over).

[Tamoa]

I don't always agree with you Luvbunny, but I certainly agree with your above post.

[Luvbunny]

Waldrich if anything, the game is even more accessible than ever, abyssea content is always accessible from the get go, but back in 2010 when it was first introduced you need a lot more people to even be able to clear some of them. By the way, depending on which mob you are trying to kill for seal farm, some drops KI that is needed to pop zone boss NM or other NMs that drop plus 2 (cirein coin + amhuluk is a good example in misareux, thats at least a good 3 popped NMs, and 2 time based). So even if you manage to get 2 people, that's like at least 9 rounds of kill - also most of the other NMs are not as camped as it was before. Another example is Audumbla, before you need at least 2-3 people, now almost any jobs can solo this, 5-20 mnts depending on well geared you are and if you have empy weapons. The same goes to the tiger NMs in ugly range, it used to be quite challenging, now blue/ninja and blm/whm can easily duo it.

The older contents such as BCNMs still need 3 people for the level capped, and a few can be soloed as beast, at least 1 of the 99Kindred Seals. The rest of the older contents definitely need 2 other people to clear - or 1 person who dual box

[Nawesemo]

Lol its an old school game with old school players hazing, and in crowds and everything, the not hardcore aspiring to be hardcore, the desire to be the best.... Nothin wrobg with that, no matter how hard, or easy the make it you will always have the maximizers, and the good enoughers, and thats just the way it is.