FFXI fixed!

[Ragmar]

And guess what happens when 3/4 of the people playing the game can't get the gear?

You know damn well that isn't the case at all. People might joke like "Finish your windy rank 10 missions noob." but no one is ever gonna exclude you from a group / activity over that kind of thing. All they care about how fast your gonna be able to kill stuff.

You keep saying stuff like this as if your actually better at the game than everyone else. Your not. I'm not trying to regulate the game to noob levels. I'm trying to stop social misfits from griefing other players. I just want everyone to have access to the same gear, so that they have the opportunity to experience the game in the same way as you and I.

Random number like 3/4ths are fun. I believe people would exclude others for lack of quests just as much as they do for lack of gear. I've had plenty of noobish geared players in my VW runs that performed their proc function. It's when people get bad reps as being noobs for not having relevant skills or knowledge of the content they are trying to participate in that usually gets them excluded. I've never once claimed to be better than everyone else and you wouldnt have a clue if I was or not, none.

You don't understand that if you decide to limit content to your acceptable standards there will still be others who feel the bar is still set to high. To do what you are suggesting means the bar can be no higher than the ability of the absolute least skilled player in the game. I have seen people fail to kill a mob using multiple brews. In effect you would have to allow full time brews in all zones all the time and eliminate "K.O." in game. This is the only way EVERYONE can be guarenteed the same success rate.

I'd love to see those who grief others eliminated but until SE takes a harder stance on this it's simply not going to happen. I reported a guy for /yell "I just got (random number I forgot) Ni**er shells." The GM did nothing, the player remained in PJ laughing about their "play on words about T. Whiteshells." I'd love to see these types of people removed but again thats on SE.

Until SE simply does not allow certain accounts access to content everyone who plays does in fact have access to all content/gear. Access to, and guarenteed success in content are two very different things. When my LS was building empys we ran accross a lot of other LS's who had 10~ relics between them, we had 1. Their WAR had an armada hauberk, ours had an adaman hauberk. We would watch them fail and struggle with mobs we killed much easier. Gear does not determine outcome, at best it allows more room for error.

I would love for everyone to experience the game equally, this is exactly what my post is asking for. I want people to be able to enjoy all content on their own terms of difficulty. The part you disagree with is where I suggest harder content should have better rewards. SE absolutely needs to keep making content that is AVAILABLE to everyone. What I don't want is for the difficulty level of all content to be designed only for those who struggle with things others might find easy or for SE to predetermine 100% success for anyone.

P.S. There is always someone who will think the content is too hard unless its 100% win/drop rate.

[Arcon]

And guess what happens when 3/4 of the people playing the game can't get the gear?

I won't because it's irrelevant. That's a completely made up number with zero relevance to this topic.

You make it sound like getting empys, relics, nyzul, Legion, VW etc. gear is as easy as just showing up. I'm standing in Port Jeuno right now, and I can't find a single person with perfect gear here.

Relics and VW gear are easy, empyreans generally aren't, neither is Nyzul. None of that is particularly relevant because I never complained with the status quo. I even said specifically that I'm happy right now. Neo-Einherjar and Legion are pretty much what I had in mind with what I said, only maybe slightly more forgiving and not catered to a full alliance. Possibly even something that scales with numbers, although I'm sure SE would botch that.

Why can't you just be good to be good? In the 30 years I've been playing video games, never once has it occurred to me that a game might be more fun my character had more powerful stuff and no one else could ever get it.

I do that. I perform the best I can, always. It would just be nice to actually be rewarded for it. And the bolded part is wrong. See any one of my fifty previous posts for an explanation.

If you just want an award for an achievement, why not ranks? Glow effects? Titles? Different armor models with same stats? Free warps? Gil? Cruor? Extra storage slots? Better skill up rates? Increased drops? Anything? Are you honestly telling me that you can't come up with one single way to make yourself want to play this game beyond having a stronger piece of gear than the next guy? No part of you just wants to see your character progress? To cap all the jobs? To finish all the quests? To level a new craft or find a new way to beat an old event? There is a hole that absolutely cannot be filled without besting the next guy?

The bolded part is wrong, again. And I agree with the rest. I play for achievement, I already do everything what you say. I play to progress my character. I do things that don't give me anything other than the satisfaction of having done them. As I said before, it would simply be nice to actually be rewarded something useful for your efforts. Not everyone shares my mentality and does shit for the hell of it, and despite what you may think I'm very sure that applies to a lot of people because I already know many people this applies to personally. Everyone wants a reward, and speed is rarely an issue. The only difference to now is that skill does not play a big role in many of the events. If there were no rewards at all, no one would be playing, not even you.

[vienne]

I'll follow OP and Arcon in this thread, think I can call myself *cough* joe pink but I would like to see a bit more challenge added to the game. I need a reason to keep playing this game, i dont play for gear persé (although yes at some point I would like to get some shinies too but I'm a patient person, not all good things come over night) I prefer playing with friends in challenging content that asks for concentration and teamwork and yes challenging hard content should have better rewards then a grindfest. Also personally, I think the excuse that "if you want to make this game harder dont get buffs/atma/etc." is a very week argument. People opposing the idea of more challenge should also stop acting like they talk for the whole community cause you dont.

[Komori]

I'll follow OP and Arcon in this thread, think I can call myself *cough* joe pink but I would like to see a bit more challenge added to the game. I need a reason to keep playing this game, i dont play for gear persé (although yes at some point I would like to get some shinies too but I'm a patient person, not all good things come over night) I prefer playing with friends in challenging content that asks for concentration and teamwork and yes challenging hard content should have better rewards then a grindfest. Also personally, I think the excuse that "if you want to make this game harder dont get buffs/atma/etc." is a very week argument. People opposing the idea of more challenge should also stop acting like they talk for the whole community cause you dont.

But you do realize that as a Joe Pink they would never allow you to come along? This hard content would need the most excellent of gear since there would be no atmas or temps to make up for power. That's kind of the argument the people are trying to make, you would need all of the +2s and Neo Nyzul Gear and all of that other really good stuff that overpowers people before you could come close to tagging along.

[Arcon]

But you do realize that as a Joe Pink they would never allow you to come along? This hard content would need the most excellent of gear since there would be no atmas or temps to make up for power. That's kind of the argument the people are trying to make, you would need all of the +2s and Neo Nyzul Gear and all of that other really good stuff that overpowers people before you could come close to tagging along.

Only I already explained (twice) why that's not the case. AF3+1 gear isn't far behind AF3+2 gear, and AF3+2 gear is amazing. Sure, Nyzul gear is situationally better but it's not going to make a difference in the outcome of a fight. If you have AF3+2 gear you're well-geared. Even all the new gear they released in the year after is just icing on the cake, but a difference in quality. Everything I can do with my Nyzul gear I can do without too. It's not going to make or break a fight.

And there are plenty of people who would let them come along. There is such a thing as social event linkshells, in fact most would fall under that category. Mine is one of them and my previous one was too, and I know several others just on Leviathan. Linkshells that consist largely of casual players and tackle all kinds of content together, to all improve and get better at it, which is my entire view of what an MMORPG should be like. Try content with your friends to get better at it, eventually beat it and reap the rewards.

[Komori]

Except Social linkshells typically only do Abyssea or low-man activities together, no social with extreme casuals does Legion or most of the re-done. And for this event to be harder than any other endgame event we ever had, social linkshells are not going to even attempt it, leaving it to be a shout group you have to rely on which means that they will shout for people with empy/relic weapons and good gear. Not "Aurore Thief main-handing Thief's Knife".

And if you think different, your not playing the same game as the rest of us.

[Sarick]

Except Social linkshells typically only do Abyssea or low-man activities together, no social with extreme casuals does Legion or most of the re-done. And for this event to be harder than any other endgame event we ever had, social linkshells are not going to even attempt it, leaving it to be a shout group you have to rely on which means that they will shout for people with empy/relic weapons and good gear. Not "Aurore Thief main-handing Thief's Knife".

And if you think different, your not playing the same game as the rest of us.

You speak the truth. I can't understand why people who think they're in the upper skill levels assume they have room to speak for Joe Pink. They want harder content with better rewards to make them stand out and/or out parse Joe pink. They simply can't understand they aren't in a position to speak for them. Some social LS's are huge and they have a lot of Joe/Jane pinks. Most of these guys wouldn't get a chance.

I think I'm in between Joe Pink and Jimmy Leet depending on the day or content. To much stress dealing with Jimmy Leets.

Never once did I say I wanted all content dumbed down or made purely hardcore. This is what they agree with apparently. They've both said it a few times and I totally agree with this aspect. I'm 25% compatible with their total argument at this point. They want content that everyone has a chance at I agreed to this as well so I can add another 25%. I agreed that harder content should have higher rewards so yet again another 25%.

At this point we're 75% compatible..

Yet when they speak of the hardcore Jimmy Leet content they want special gear to go with it. I disagree with this to a point so the last 25% is whats breaking the deal. This conflicts with the portion I underlined above in accordance with what we agree on. Frank offered a solution of making them glow or gold with the same stats as a compromise but this wasn't enough.

So far A gold medal that says I beat this boss on hard mode or a higher drop rate isn't enough to satisfy them. These things are to inadequate for their sense of entitlement (or in their words accomplishment). That left the total at 75/100 agreement.

For the record. I never once did I say "don't allow options for challenging content." I said more along the lines of keep it balanced for everyone. Based on the way these guys speak about noobs and easy buttons it's 100% self entitlement behind their agenda. It's so obvious a anyone can figure it out.

They can say all they want about it being fair for everyone but the truth equals nothing when it's purely a conflict of interest with blind bias. They are Jimmy Leets asking for content that they can't win if they harbor Joe pinks in the leet alliances. They're basing the difficulty on current in game enemies and content that Joe pink is already getting excluded from in most cases.

It's really simple to see the logic here. If Joe pink doesn't have the skills based on the views they've projected with this added challenge mode Joe pink doesn't deserve the gear.

Like I said Joe pink doesn't have a chance in hell of getting content like this unless it's based around the gear being in the lower tier pools as well. The whole problem that surrounds this is we can't have that because then Jimmy Leet won't have special advantage to prance around in leet gear and lord over Joe Pinks.

[Komori]

Same, I don't have elitte gear. 0/15 Neo-Nyzul Isle Gear, but I have things like Toci's, Heka's and generally full +2 for almost all seventeen of my current jobs and I at least make a TP set and WS set for each of my jobs. But even for lol monsters like Kaggen and Akvan etc. I've been turned down for not having any empyreans or relics. So if I get turned down for "easy peasy" content for having good gear other than nyzul or empy/relic. Joe/Jane Pink will never, ever get to see the content your asking for.

[Sarick]

Same, I don't have elitte gear. 0/15 Neo-Nyzul Isle Gear, but I have things like Toci's, Heka's and generally full +2 for almost all seventeen of my current jobs and I at least make a TP set and WS set for each of my jobs. But even for lol monsters like Kaggen and Akvan etc. I've been turned down for not having any empyreans or relics. So if I get turned down for "easy peasy" content for having good gear other than nyzul or empy/relic. Joe/Jane Pink will never, ever get to see the content your asking for.

Yup, been trying to say this the last (lost count) pages.

[Shoko]

Same, I don't have elitte gear. 0/15 Neo-Nyzul Isle Gear, but I have things like Toci's, Heka's and generally full +2 for almost all seventeen of my current jobs and I at least make a TP set and WS set for each of my jobs. But even for lol monsters like Kaggen and Akvan etc. I've been turned down for not having any empyreans or relics. So if I get turned down for "easy peasy" content for having good gear other than nyzul or empy/relic. Joe/Jane Pink will never, ever get to see the content your asking for.

If that's the case, Joe Pink needs to step out of the pink and get himself some AF3+1 or AF3+2. It's not hard. On top of that, it's casual content. Also you automatically assume that every shout for VWs such as Kaggen or Akvan requires relic/empy. This is not the case all of the time; simply only how the specific person running the event wishes to set it up.

One of the glaring problems with this thread is that you guys in favor of casuals are only talking in extremes. Arcon has given you many examples, the biggest one mentioning that AF3+2 gear is exceptionally solid for any event.

Edit: Also, Most Non Abyssea-Tahrongi could be considered "casual" content as well. Same with any relic. None of these portions of the game is difficult, only time consuming.