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[Sarick]

I can tell you why. Because she was in my previous linkshell and is in my current one and she can confirm what I said.

All she's done is give you an example of exactly what I meant. But it seems you don't deal well with criticism.

I'm not an idiot, she just started posting recently, In your LS and same nation area. As for not dealing with criticism you speak from experience. I used to have some respect for you Arcon but after this topic you threw all that out the window.

Nothing that's being ask on this said of the field is going to topple your grand agenda. You sir can't compromise even the slightest this means you have an issue. Look at all my post I'm up to 88% compatible with your agenda that's not a low F'n number. That leaves a mere 12% we're disagreeing with.

#1 The disagreement is if it's in Jimmy Leet pool it should also be in Joe Pink pool.

#2 If you want special gear and it can't be in the Joe Pink pool then it should be limited to a glow like effect.

#3 Higher rewards for more challenging content meaning that advanced mode has higher drop rate of the same items with inclusion of a 100% drop that's used for high ranking emp upgrades..

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you are purely in a green state and trying to be selfish. Seeing as you had to call on friends or alts to defend your side is just pathetic. Everyone who's been against the original poster has made enough arguments to confirm the negatives and the over all agenda behind the request. His attitude is bad his arguments aren't good and he's also unwilling to compromise just like you. Two peas in a pot.

So you are by definition arguing to make things not equal in a sense that only a minority can get them. I understand completely that you want stuff others can't get that make you feel special, you're only human. Please understand this selfish greed is a powerful hard to control human nature to overcome.

[Arcon]

I'm not an idiot, she just started posting recently, In your LS and same nation area. As for not dealing with criticism you speak from experience. I used to have some respect for you Arcon but after this topic you threw all that out the window.

Her posting made you lose respect for me? Guess that makes sense for you.

Nothing that's being ask on this said of the field is going to topple your grand agenda. You sir can't compromise even the slightest this means you have an issue. Look at all my post I'm up to 88% compatible with your agenda that's not a low F'n number. That leaves a mere 12% we're disagreeing with.

Stop with the useless numbers. And don't use the excuse that the other side is also using them, it wasn't me, so don't pull this one on me. I'm not compromising because no compromise is offered. And I assume that no comprise is offered because you still don't understand what I want. Every post again, over and over, you keep repeating some stuff that I never said or asked for and when I try to tell you why you completely ignore it and just repeat the same garbage again.

#1 The disagreement is if it's in Jimmy Leet pool it should also be in Joe Pink pool.

If he works for it, sure.

#2 If you want special gear and it can't be in the Joe Pink pool then it should be limited to a glow like effect.

It should be in everyone's pool. And I already said that I don't particularly mind that either, but that that's not a solution, because it does not address our problem. Trophy items are just for showing off, and I don't care for that (despite what you like to proclaim).

#3 Higher rewards for more challenging content meaning that advanced mode has higher drop rate of the same items with inclusion of a 100% drop that's used for high ranking emp upgrades..

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying. What do empyrean weapons have to do with this? Or are you saying that any challenging mob should also drop empyrean upgrade items? Seems a bit groundless, but whatever. I already explained that obtaining something faster is no reward at all. It does not introduce nor require skill.

As for the current system, since that was brought up earlier, no matter how skilled you are, you won't be able to kill Orthrus much faster than the next guy who just uses a weapon skill on a timer.

This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt you are purely in a green state and trying to be selfish. Seeing as you had to call on friends or alts to defend your side is just pathetic. Everyone who's been against the original poster has made enough arguments to confirm the negatives and the over all agenda behind the request. His attitude is bad his arguments aren't good and he's also unwilling to compromise just like you. Two peas in a pot.

I never called on anyone to do anything, because I didn't need to. Everything I said was spot on and even until now you've done nothing at all to disprove my arguments against you or your agenda. What's pathetic is that you're resorting to calling me a fraud by attacking my credibility (with no evidence) instead of my arguments. That is an indication that you've run out of things to say.

So you are by definition arguing to make things not equal in a sense that only a minority can get them. I understand completely that you want stuff others can't get that make you feel special, you're only human. Please understand this selfish greed is a powerful hard to control human nature to overcome.

You understand nothing. You have the comprehension capacity of a three year old. You don't even know how to argue properly. You throw around words that make you sound smart with no context and inappropriate usage just for the sake of sounding educated. Do you feel that that will carry more weight than sound arguments themselves? In this paragraph alone you have demonstrated that you have no idea what "by definition" means, what "equality" is and that you didn't grasp a thing of what I've been trying to convey. I specifically stated repeatedly that I do not want to exclude anyone and that everyone should be able to access and the content and get a chance to win it. I said that the content should not require best of gear but strategy and tactics instead. I said that it should scale with the number of members, so people can go with their friends if they can't find a full alliance or don't feel like they'll be able to join an endgame LS for this purpose. You addressed none of these things. You just spout groundless statements about how it is unjust and how I'm just being elitist and selfish, with no reasons, no explanation and no evidence. And it's getting really old.

[Sarick]

Her posting made you lose respect for me? Guess that makes sense for you.

No, I think you missed something as usual.

Stop with the useless numbers.

Those numbers represent how close we are in agreement. This is something that I explained and they do represent something relevant to the topic. It shows how close our opinions are on the topic. Its a point by point match system that separates key elements of an argument. One reason someone wouldn't understand this would be because everything is seen in a binary perspective. A binary perspective means there is no percentage it's like a data bit on or off with no in between. That's what those numbers represented.

If he works for it, sure.

Again you miss the point and assume that Joe pink can compete on that level. I explained this already that everyone has a natural limit to skill. Under my setup where its available in all pools Joe Pink could WORK FOR IT. Under the setup where only advance players get it Joe Pink doesn't have a chance in hell.

It should be in everyone's pool. And I already said that I don't particularly mind that either, but that that's not a solution, because it does not address our problem. Trophy items are just for showing off, and I don't care for that (despite what you like to proclaim).

Then why didn't you just say that "It should be in everyone's pool?" This single statement is the compromise. Show me where you said this exact sentence in an old post edited before today? I think I can read through my previous post where I pointed this out and you gave it the finger when you said "This is not enough." If you can find that then I'll apologize if not then hopefully you can see the fault isn't on my end.

As always I make an honest attempt to bring ideas to the table. I don't blindly disagree. I try and find solutions or compromises. When one side won't budge for reasons that seem dubious I only dig the trench deeper and prep the ammo.

I'm not entirely sure what you're saying. What do empyrean weapons have to do with this? Or are you saying that any challenging mob should also drop empyrean upgrade items? Seems a bit groundless, but whatever. I already explained that obtaining something faster is no reward at all. It does not introduce nor require skill.

This is where you missed something, the increased challenge mode would offer this. Meaning the mob is tougher. I really don't see how you could misinterpret this Frank explained it why back when he introduced Joe Pink with the dynamis example.

If you're able to make $100,000 a year vs someone who can make $20,000 a year at a different job with vastly different skill sets, how is this not rewarding? The person making 20,000 is stuck at a lower standard of living because their limits. You on the other hand make five times more and can upgrade to a higher standard of living. Maybe you're a lawyer who enjoys his job and they're a school teacher who enjoys teaching young children. Both can be rewarding at their own level but one is at a higher income bracket.

As for the current system, since that was brought up earlier, no matter how skilled you are, you won't be able to kill Orthrus much faster than the next guy who just uses a weapon skill on a timer.

I never said anything about speed killing. Oh, you must mean that leet gear won't effect the kill speed. Irrelevant it's about both sides getting the items in their pools at a different rate from the tiered enemy. A solution was to give a useful upgrade items that dropped 100% for the added difficulty. Also speaking of speed killing, If the enemy is higher challenge it won't be as easy to take down so that unqualifies the last sentence in the above statement you made.

I never called on anyone to do anything, because I didn't need to. Everything I said was spot on and even until now you've done nothing at all to disprove my arguments against you or your agenda. What's pathetic is that you're resorting to calling me a fraud by attacking my credibility (with no evidence) instead of my arguments.

No evidence? Does god exist? If you say yes or no and I say "Prove it" I doubt you'll convince me either direction if I want to disagree just to disagree. I think this is known as Occam's razor because it shifts the burden of proof. I'm sure you don't need to hit the link.

You understand nothing. You have the comprehension capacity of a three year old. You don't even know how to argue properly. You throw around words that make you sound smart with no context and inappropriate usage just for the sake of sounding educated.

What are you talking about? I don't use educated words. Comprehension? What, about arguing makes you think there is only one side with right or wrong ways? I'm sure if you walk out on the street and some guy wants to beat your head into the ground or something of that nature you'll say "wait I need to take off my glasses first." There isn't much difference when people are truly arguing about something. Stuff is said that can sound mean or intimidating.

I'm sure you're aware of that arguing has this effect because the above quote proves you're no saint. As for the words I use this is the way I talk normally it isn't like I'm looking for them in a dictionary this is what pops in my head. I never said I was smart so why would you bring that up? Let me assume it's just your imagination playing tricks on you.

I specifically stated repeatedly that I do not want to exclude anyone and that everyone should be able to access and the content and get a chance to win it.

Then why have you been arguing with me this whole time? Did you feel the need to defend yourself on something you agreed with? I wouldn't pose these types of questions or make assumptions if I didn't see reason for them.

You addressed none of these things. You just spout groundless statements about how it is unjust and how I'm just being elitist and selfish, with no reasons, no explanation and no evidence. And it's getting really old.

You've put nothing on the table since we've started arguing. Nothing, to address the issues only to say that's not enough or I want more? What do you expect here obedience or straight up compliance? The only thing you've done is pushed the fact that you don't like the current system, suggestions or my way of saying how I feel about the them. I don't dismiss my methods of arguing but, I'm confident enough to admit their shortcomings. Seriously, you've offered nothing to help solve the issues you've been arguing about. The only motivation I've seen from you is constant retaliative retorts equal to my methods. So please save me from the innocent act as it's also getting really old.

In conclusion: Since we've come to an agreement that Joe Pink can get it in his reduced drop rate leet item in the easy pool. I don't see why you'd continue arguing with me at this point unless, you say something constrictive, irrelevant or contradictive to the agreement. Also, if you like arguing with me continue pushing my buttons. I love defending something I feel strongly about when it comes to balance.

[Arcon]

Again you miss the point and assume that Joe pink can compete on that level. I explained this already that everyone has a natural limit to skill. Under my setup where its available in all pools Joe Pink could WORK FOR IT. Under the setup where only advance players get it Joe Pink doesn't have a chance in hell.

Again you miss the point that it is not about competition. That's already why you Olympic games comparison failed. Just because someone gets gold here does not mean that it precludes others from getting it as well. About the pool thing..

Then why didn't you just say that "It should be in everyone's pool?" This single statement is the compromise. Show me where you said this exact sentence in an old post edited before today? I think I can read through my previous post where I pointed this out and you gave it the finger when you said "This is not enough." If you can find that then I'll apologize if not then hopefully you can see the fault isn't on my end.

You misunderstood what I meant, although I admit my wording was ambiguous. I forgot we were talking about the OP's idea and was talking about skill requirements in general. What I meant was that the elite pool should also be accessible to casual players, not that every reward should drop off every difficulty level. As in, every casual should be able to work up to that and be able to clear it with practice and patience.

What do you mean by natural skill limit? Are you saying some people are so bad that they can't improve to a point that they'd be useful to a group? If that's true I've yet to meet someone like that and I've met a lot of people. Unless, of course, you're talking about someone with a mental disability, but if you think the game should be designed around them I'm done arguing with you.

This is where you missed something, the increased challenge mode would offer this. Meaning the mob is tougher. I really don't see how you could misinterpret this Frank explained it why back when he introduced Joe Pink with the dynamis example.

And even back then I said why that was a bad example. First of all, whether I get a relic in two or four months makes no difference to me. I'm not in a rush. I play this game casually, it's a pastime. Secondly, it does not even require any skills at all, because you can just make the money from other sources that require less skill and give more money (like FC parties, for example). I never farmed Dyna at all and I have a relic too, and I got it faster than most Dynamis farmers.

If you're able to make $100,000 a year vs someone who can make $20,000 a year at a different job with vastly different skill sets, how is this not rewarding?

Because money is not what I'm looking for. It's compensation for my time and effort, not a reward. I don't look forward to do a job for the money, I do it begrudgingly waiting to get paid. That's the first reason why it doesn't compare to this situation.

The second is that it's not about "more" or "less" rewarding, but about the kind of reward. I never argued that it isn't "more" rewarding, but I told you specifically that that wasn't what I was looking for. It's about quality over quantity. Skill should be rewarded in an unique way, not just more of the same. Why doesn't every event just reward us moat carps, more or less depending on the difficulty. And we could rank items and make them redeemable with a certain number of carps. That's essentially what you're suggesting.

No evidence? Does god exist? If you say yes or no and I say "Prove it" I doubt you'll convince me either direction if I want to disagree just to disagree. I think this is known as Occam's razor because it shifts the burden of proof. I'm sure you don't need to hit the link.

That's exactly why you shouldn't be making these kinds of accusations. Pointless throwing around claims that you can't back up at all.

Then why have you been arguing with me this whole time? Did you feel the need to defend yourself on something you agreed with? I wouldn't pose these types of questions or make assumptions if I didn't see reason for them.

We don't agree, and I don't think you understood what I meant. You're suggesting:
Tier 1: 10% drop rate of desired item (noobs go here)
Tier 2: 50% drop rate of desired item (made for average people)
Tier 3: 100% drop rate of desired item (made for the elitist scum)

What I'm suggesting is the following:
Tier 1: 100% drop rate of LQ item (requires attendance)
Tier 2: 100% drop rate of NQ item (requires patience and strategy)
Tier 3: 100% drop rate of HQ item (requires preparation, coordination and effort)

The reason why you assume my idea is bad is because you think some people will never be able to complete tier 3. Why do you say that? Have you seen the T3 already, even though it's just in my head so far? How can you qualify that statement without knowing the actual difficulty?

I already told why one bad player is no reason this wouldn't work: because the group can even it out. I already said it should not require perfect gear. I also said it should not be unforgiving (like Legion currently is because of the time limit). No one mistake should kill the run. It should be something that's accessible and possible to beat even with average players if they play well. Sure, they wouldn't be able to clear it every time, but I see no issue with that (and neither do you, because that's precisely your argument).

When I say it should reward skill you jumped at the conclusion that it should be absolutely impossible to beat if you don't do everything perfectly, all the time. That was an assumption on your part. I told you what seems like a million times by now that I don't want to exclude anyone from getting a shot at the win. Only that it should require effort. It's ok to completely wipe the first ten attempts. Make smaller rewards along the way. Like Legion when clearing the first wave. That way a group can watch their own progress as they build their skills and gain practice in that event. That is how people learn to play better, and it's the only way.

A constant stream of mediocre content will not produce skilled players, no matter their potential.

You've put nothing on the table since we've started arguing. Nothing, to address the issues only to say that's not enough or I want more? What do you expect here obedience or straight up compliance? The only thing you've done is pushed the fact that you don't like the current system, suggestions or my way of saying how I feel about the them.

Wrong. Again. I told you many times before, in this very thread, that I do like the current system. I am happy with the way the game is right now. Unlike you, it would seem, because currently it's already the way I suggested it, only without the different difficulty levels. Instead there's content exclusively catered to high-level players. What I'm basically suggesting is to introduce lower difficulty Legion tiers which people could use to gain skill and experience in that particular event, because right now it's designed to exclude untrained/inexperienced players. And that's not because it's insanely difficult, but because it's expensive and unforgiving, which means people don't get the chance to just go in and get experience with it, they don't get to improve with practice at all. They either have a high-level group to tackle the content with already or they don't. That's what this suggestion would remedy.

[Sarick]

Again you miss the point that it is not about competition. That's already why you Olympic games comparison failed. Just because someone gets gold here does not mean that it precludes others from getting it as well. About the pool thing.

You try really really hard to undermined any examples or alternatives no matter how clear or what they're based on if it doesn't suit your bias. Take off the glasses. I understand the comparison my friends do as well, it's just you and the opposition that can't grasp it.

You misunderstood what I meant, although I admit my wording was ambiguous. I forgot we were talking about the OP's idea and was talking about skill requirements in general. What I meant was that the elite pool should also be accessible to casual players, not that every reward should drop off every difficulty level. As in, every casual should be able to work up to that and be able to clear it with practice and patience.

I didn't misunderstand anything here, you're trying to shift fault on me. Let's make this clear you're the one who wrote it not me. I assume when someone says "Everyone" It means everyone. Don't try and weasel your way out of a mistake that's clearly your fault or try and pin it on me again. You keep saying one thing then contradicting yourself in an effort to (I assume) confuse people.

Let me explain something. In Japan there is a saying about demons, their weaknesses and, how to defend yourself from them. It go's something like this "If you know the demons name you have power over it." For clarification I'm referring about the tactic not you directly. Maybe you assume I'm arguing wrong. I just recognize the what's going on and take advantage of it.

What do you mean by natural skill limit? Are you saying some people are so bad that they can't improve to a point that they'd be useful to a group? If that's true I've yet to meet someone like that and I've met a lot of people. Unless, of course, you're talking about someone with a mental disability, but if you think the game should be designed around them I'm done arguing with you.

I'm saying limiting factors in a broad scope of things not just a high degree of mental disability that you painted a picture of. My guess is you over read my Olympics example to extremes. I did say something along the lines of "lesser extent" when I posted that. As for the scope, I made a mini list of multiple things that can limit Joe pink. Again, you missed something I wrote in a previous post. I don't like repeating this list because each point branchs out into sub factors that also need explained in detail. Please go recap.

Secondly, Did you see the post I made a few pages back that had Jimmy Leet as a minority, Jack Normal as a majority and Joe Pink as a minority. I thin placed an arrow toward Jack Normal and said something along with it. I'll let you recap since you missed/ignored that as well.

Another, thing I posted in a previous comment was related to the easy button, too weak, low quality mode being for wins, maybe atmas and percepts. I didn't misdirect this because it would still be available if Joe Pink had earned the win on the weakest setting for some item.

Do you remember the update before last SE added the ability to make some items that could be rebuilt later with the inclusion that the player had to have access to the content? Well, I assumed that everyone would get that access under the lower tier setup anyway if needed just getting the base wins. The reason for my reactions are because the multiple times people said that only casual or greater would have access.

Judging by your outlook you missed these fine details when I explained the balance way back. I don't condemn you for failing to recognize this because it's not something the average person would see above the surface when looking into deep water. I also didn't go into details here because I assumed you'd already known this.

And even back then I said why that was a bad example. First of all, whether I get a relic in two or four months makes no difference to me. I'm not in a rush. I play this game casually, it's a pastime. Secondly, it does not even require any skills at all, because you can just make the money from other sources that require less skill and give more money (like FC parties, for example). I never farmed Dyna at all and I have a relic too, and I got it faster than most Dynamis farmers.

Because money is not what I'm looking for. It's compensation for my time and effort, not a reward. I don't look forward to do a job for the money, I do it begrudgingly waiting to get paid. That's the first reason why it doesn't compare to this situation.

The second is that it's not about "more" or "less" rewarding, but about the kind of reward. I never argued that it isn't "more" rewarding, but I told you specifically that that wasn't what I was looking for. It's about quality over quantity. Skill should be rewarded in an unique way, not just more of the same. Why doesn't every event just reward us moat carps, more or less depending on the difficulty. And we could rank items and make them redeemable with a certain number of carps. That's essentially what you're suggesting.

It is not a bad example unless you have a skewed perception on what everyone wants. Again you missed something. I commented on this in the last post where the lawyer and teacher both at different levels can find things rewarding in different ways yet be on a different scale of income. You went directly after the money as the subject not the means to how rewarding it is or is not.

In that respect, you're unqualified to represent this outside your own personal interest. Since you can't be satisfied by it you deem it completely irrelevant as a solution and can't grasp differing levels of satisfaction/reward I doubt you can grasp balance. After all, this solution isn't just about you. It's very obvious this is another conflict of interest and it's skewed by personal bias on your part.

The purpose was to be a general encouragement that represents as many players as possible without adding the extra baggage of new special content.

That's exactly why you shouldn't be making these kinds of accusations. Pointless throwing around claims that you can't back up at all.

This again, If I didn't have something that could be proven/or disproved I'll go with the most straight forward reasoning. Good or bad this has won wars saved lives etc. Granted this type of logic isn't perfect but in general everyone makes these choices every day and they don't even realize it.

I have examples like the one above when you contradict yourself then change views blaming it on my misinterpretation. That confirms at least one of these pointless accusations has some merit. The others are left totally at the discretion of the reader. Given the post pool it wouldn't be difficult to ascertain this. Does this upset you?, if you are innocent I'd assume the evidence would be in your favor when the readers determine this.

We don't agree, and I don't think you understood what I meant. You're suggesting:
Tier 1: 10% drop rate of desired item (noobs go here)
Tier 2: 50% drop rate of desired item (made for average people)
Tier 3: 100% drop rate of desired item (made for the elitist scum)

What I'm suggesting is the following:
Tier 1: 100% drop rate of LQ item (requires attendance)
Tier 2: 100% drop rate of NQ item (requires patience and strategy)
Tier 3: 100% drop rate of HQ item (requires preparation, coordination and effort)

The reason why you assume my idea is bad is because you think some people will never be able to complete tier 3. Why do you say that? Have you seen the T3 already, even though it's just in my head so far? How can you qualify that statement without knowing the actual difficulty?

Oh here we go again, Now it's not everyone but only Jimmy Leet that has access to HQ. Can't you even get your own understanding it check before you post back to back contradictions? All this does is confuse confuse people. As I stated earlier in this post this can be used as a tactic. Not sure if it's intentional and give you the benefit of doubt on this portion.

How can I qualify? I can based this on my experience and the reviews I've seen from the community. It's common knowledge that SE is notorious for making content that is unsuitable for everyone. They try and find an in between hardcore and casual and sometimes fail hard. If you're trying to invalid my reasoning behind this you'll fall short in doing so. Everyone who has any experience with SE/FFXI knows this.

I already told why one bad player is no reason this wouldn't work: because the group can even it out. I already said it should not require perfect gear. I also said it should not be unforgiving (like Legion currently is because of the time limit). No one mistake should kill the run. It should be something that's accessible and possible to beat even with average players if they play well. Sure, they wouldn't be able to clear it every time, but I see no issue with that (and neither do you, because that's precisely your argument).

When I say it should reward skill you jumped at the conclusion that it should be absolutely impossible to beat if you don't do everything perfectly, all the time. That was an assumption on your part. I told you what seems like a million times by now that I don't want to exclude anyone from getting a shot at the win. Only that it should require effort. It's ok to completely wipe the first ten attempts. Make smaller rewards along the way. Like Legion when clearing the first wave. That way a group can watch their own progress as they build their skills and gain practice in that event. That is how people learn to play better, and it's the only way.

A constant stream of mediocre content will not produce skilled players, no matter their potential.

You keep thinking this way, the evidence has shown that if content is increased players have been known to optimize setups or even outright cheat in order to win. It's also shown that if given the option a majority will choose the easiest route to do things this includes but is not limited to special setups, skill sets or previous relationships.

Wrong. Again. I told you many times before, in this very thread, that I do like the current system. I am happy with the way the game is right now. Unlike you, it would seem, because currently it's already the way I suggested it, only without the different difficulty levels. Instead there's content exclusively catered to high-level players. What I'm basically suggesting is to introduce lower difficulty Legion tiers which people could use to gain skill and experience in that particular event, because right now it's designed to exclude untrained/inexperienced players. And that's not because it's insanely difficult, but because it's expensive and unforgiving, which means people don't get the chance to just go in and get experience with it, they don't get to improve with practice at all. They either have a high-level group to tackle the content with already or they don't. That's what this suggestion would remedy.

Yet you offer no solutions other then training wheel courses. I just had to laugh so hard my stomach contents found their way out. What I suggested was alternative routes. It's aways easy teach an old dog new tricks, wrong. Like I said countless times everyone has their own natural ability.

If you try and force something like this then it creates an environment where one or both sides will not be satisfied with. This could cause players to quit out of frustration or boredom. It's rather simple make things equal on a different scale. Just because you have all the time in the world and/or patience not everyone is build the same way.

[Arcon]

You try really really hard to undermined any examples or alternatives no matter how clear or what they're based on if it doesn't suit your bias. Take off the glasses. I understand the comparison my friends do as well, it's just you and the opposition that can't grasp it.

This is the response I've come to expect of you. Whenever I argue something, I present a reason. You don't. Just like now, you just state that it's my fault for not understanding, without any reason for why I might be wrong.

I didn't misunderstand anything, you're trying to shift fault on me. Let's make this clear you're the one who wrote it not me. I assume when someone says "Everyone" It means everyone. Don't try and weasel your way out of a mistake that's clearly your fault or try and pin it on me again. You keep saying one thing then contradicting yourself in an effort to (I assume) confuse people.

Liar. I said apologetically that my wording was ambiguous, thus taking the blame off you. I never faulted you for this. I have no trouble faulting you for the many mistakes you're making in your leaps of logic and groundless accusations. In general you're not very intelligent and stubborn, arrogant, dishonest, and show a few other characteristics that indicate you're a bad human being, but I never once tried to put this on you, not then, not now. I know when I'm at fault, and that was mine, as I said in the previous post already.

I'm saying limiting factors in a broad scope of things not just a high degree of mental disability that you painted a picture of. My guess is you over read my Olympics example to extremes. I did say something along the lines of "lesser extent" when I posted that. As for the scope, I made a mini list of multiple things that can limit Joe pink.

Don't have to recap, just link me to it, because I don't remember any of it. All you said was stuff like "no gear", "no friends" and other general statements like those, every single one of which I responded to.

Secondly, Did you see the post I made a few pages back that had Jimmy Leet as a minority, Jack Normal as a majority and Joe Pink as a minority. I thin placed an arrow toward Jack Normal and said something along with it. I'll let you recap since you missed/ignored that as well.

No, I neither missed nor ignored it, I basically said that very same thing in my last post (yes, the very same that you quoted, and you quoted that same part as well).

Do you remember the update before last SE added the ability to make some items that could be rebuilt later with the inclusion that the player had to have access to the content? Well, I assumed that everyone would get that access under the lower tier setup anyway just getting the base wins. The reason for my reaction because commented multiple times that only casual or greater would have access.

I have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. This may also be my fault, because I'm tired of having to read everything into your vague and inarticulate posts.

Oh here we go again, Now it's not everyone but only Jimmy Leet that has access to HQ. Can't you even get your own understanding it check before you post back to back contradictions? All this does is confuse confuse people. As I stated earlier in this post this can be used as a tactic. Not sure if it's intentional and give you the benefit of doubt on this portion.

You're confused. Let me help you: in everyone's pool does not equate that it should drop for each difficulty. Even if it only drops in the highest difficulty pool, if everyone gets a chance at doing that it can still be in everyone's pool. Feel smarter?

You keep thinking this way, the evidence has shown that if content is increased players have been known to optimize setups or even outright cheat in order to win. It's also shown that if given the option a majority will choose the easiest route to do things this includes but is not limited to special setups, skill sets or previous relationships.

Duh? Not sure what your point is. That's why I said I want harder content, so it cannot be cleared by just idling along for a given duration and then collecting your price. Or do you condone that behavior? Or are you saying that because SE have demonstrated incompetence in that regard in the past they should just stop trying?

Yet you offer no solutions other then training wheel courses. I just had to laugh so hard my stomach contents found their way out. What I suggested was alternative routes. YOU think you can teach an old dog new tricks. Like I said countless times everyone has their own natural ability.

What's wrong with the training wheel course? What you suggested was to dumb everything down so that people don't even have to try to get good gear. Because that's all I'm asking.

[Arcon]

No, you said it was ambiguous then followed up with something completely opposite of the definition for "everyone." The word everyone isn't an ambiguous term. It's not left up to interpretation. You see where the first quote says everyone. The second part excuses everything that you said then the last part puts the HQ item in only one tier?

I already explained all of that here:

[..] in everyone's pool does not equate that it should drop for each difficulty. Even if it only drops in the highest difficulty pool, if everyone gets a chance at doing that it can still be in everyone's pool.

Again, just for you:
Elite pool = HQ pool
Elite pool accessible to everyone = everyone gets the chance to play for the HQ pool

And that was my exact wording. Everyone should be able to play the hard content. Hard does not mean exclusive. But it should be challenging. That's why people who aren't that skilled with endgame content can practice on lower difficulties. Once they have that down, they can move up and tackle the challenging content. Note that challenging also doesn't imply unfair. In the end, everyone should be able to access and win the challenging content. Hence everyone gets a shot at the reward.

That is not the opposite of everyone. It's everyone. Stop lying.

[vienne]

I'm not an idiot, she just started posting recently, In your LS and same nation area. As for not dealing with criticism you speak from experience. I used to have some respect for you Arcon but after this topic you threw all that out the window.

This is the last thing I'm posting in this thread and please if any mod reads this, just lock it. We'll agree to disagree. some people want challenging content others want to turn this game into cuddlebearland where everyone gets the same lollypop.
But please you're being paranoid and you may apologise how much you want you're being very insulting towards me and towards arcon saying that he asks people to post for him. If it makes you feel any better we had a good laugh in the ls with your accusation of me being Arc's mule. I hope you'll remember me next time when I post in a thread and he does too and we have a different opinion.