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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    No, it's the fundamental concept of any game ever. You get rewards for doing good things that help you with future content. It's also the very underlying concept of FFXI. That's like saying "Getting to 99 only makes content easier, so you're obviously a noob if you want to be at 99 to do it!", which is just as inappropriate. Let me ask you this, why do you get new gear? Why do you try to play good? Challenge should be there, but it's the player's job to tackle it somehow. You do this with strategy, real-time tactics, skill and - surprise - gear. That's part of everyday gameplay. SE tries to make challenging content, we try to figure out ways to beat them. And getting gear to be able to beat them is part of it. It describes all of FFXI and all of every other RPG.
    And guess what happens when 3/4 of the people playing the game can't get the gear?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    It's more like "Hey Barry, you hit the most home runs! Congratulations! Next year you get to play in the bigger league, with a better club, with better trainers, better equipment, and every one of your needs will be catered to!" which pretty much describes how it currently is. Only this suggestion is less selective, as I'd like for it to be accessible to everyone. Everyone should be given the chance, but they should have try to succeed, not given the win because they're there.
    That wasn't a good twist on my analogy. Barry doesn't get to take the trainers, money or his needs out onto the ball field. It's just him with the same regulation wooden bat that everyone else gets. It all sounds great from the outside looking in, but when he gets out on the field, its him and his team. They don't get to use pitching machines and whirlpool tubs on the field. No special gear.

    You make it sound like getting empys, relics, nyzul, Legion, VW etc. gear is as easy as just showing up. I'm standing in Port Jeuno right now, and I can't find a single person with perfect gear here.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    No I don't want recognition. I want a reason to be good. I don't care if anyone at all knows about it.
    Why can't you just be good to be good? In the 30 years I've been playing video games, never once has it occurred to me that a game might be more fun my character had more powerful stuff and no one else could ever get it.

    If you just want an award for an achievement, why not ranks? Glow effects? Titles? Different armor models with same stats? Free warps? Gil? Cruor? Extra storage slots? Better skill up rates? Increased drops? Anything? Are you honestly telling me that you can't come up with one single way to make yourself want to play this game beyond having a stronger piece of gear than the next guy? No part of you just wants to see your character progress? To cap all the jobs? To finish all the quests? To level a new craft or find a new way to beat an old event? There is a hole that absolutely cannot be filled without besting the next guy?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ragmar View Post
    The type of people who gloat about gear would find something else to gloat about so not rewarding someone with better gear for harder content doesnt fix this. You would have to make sure everything with everyone was completely even or this is still possible. I hope no one really wants to start FFXI with every gear, quest, weapon, job, skill, mission, content ect completed.
    You know damn well that isn't the case at all. People might joke like "Finish your windy rank 10 missions noob." but no one is ever gonna exclude you from a group / activity over that kind of thing. All they care about how fast your gonna be able to kill stuff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ragmar View Post
    "Play on an even playing field" is exactly what I want. I don't want anything except the player engaging in it to effect the outcome. You can't get any more "even" than that. You don't want even, you want biased content to be designed to what you believe is the highest level challenge you believe reasonable. You say "even" but what you are asking for is your skill/ability, or whatever else you want to call it, to be the highest level so that nobody can have something you cannot. The limiting factor in my suggestion is someones personal ability/skill, the limiting factor of yours is your percieved notion of what is appropriate.
    You keep saying stuff like this as if your actually better at the game than everyone else. Your not. I'm not trying to regulate the game to noob levels. I'm trying to stop social misfits from griefing other players. I just want everyone to have access to the same gear, so that they have the opportunity to experience the game in the same way as you and I.
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    Last edited by FrankReynolds; 08-15-2012 at 02:59 PM.