FFXI fixed!

[Ragmar]

The answer is still no. I gave a solution to fix it. If the lower tier normal players don't get a chance at the same items then it's unbalanced.

Listen, you can't understand this, the complexity seems beyond your understanding. The advanced hardcore does get better rewards. Think about it like this, if you fight an enemy that drops say twilight mail at 5% on normal mode and 25% on hardcore mode then the person doing the fight in hard mode has a GREATER reward possibility. Refer to quote #1 at the end of this post.

Special items aren't needed to supplement the difficulty. The only reason someone would want this is to show off themselves. Like Frank said if this is your goal make the damn armor another color. Giving it higher stats to make you better in turn makes you look weaker because your using the hard mode to make future fights easier mode. It's a contradiction of logic.

You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that your going to be getting better rewards faster then Joe pink if you beat something in hard mode. Just because Joe pink can get it in easier mode from luck or hard work at a lower tier, it shouldn't make it less rewarding for you and your piers if the gear is still awesome sauce. Refer to quote #1 at the end of this post.

What you promote is in fact something that limits others so they need to do hardcore mode or GTFO. You see why your logic is so flawed. If Joe pink can't get it then it's merely an epen's piece for the upper echelon of the user base. This is why it excludes people which you cleverly stated you didn't want. Refer to quote #2 and #3 at the end of this post.

On a final note.. Please start paragraphing your WALL-O-TEXT, I might not have the best English or grammar skills but, I do seriously try to make things as understandable and convenient as possible to read. SEE all the edits?

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Increasing the drop rate 5% per tier does not mean that joe pink isnt going to get his RNG 1/1 while Mr. Hardcore elite won't go 1/100 (obvious exaggeration but point is still valid). You're asking for special treatment for people with less play time and less ability to complete content no matter what where as I am asking for content available for anyone. SE does not have to only make content my 5 year old can dominate nor should they.

As many times as you want to say its us who want gear to validate ourselves many of you have posted the fact and that is you who feel inadequate or envious when others can do things you cannot or have things you do not for whatever reason. That's like caping the score on a game like bubble breaker at 1 because if not everyone can reach that score they might feel inadequate.

You still can't see you are the one asking, by design, for others to have to play like you. There is always going to be someone with less play time or ability than someone else. You are asking for the bar to be set at your percieved level of casual when guess what there is always going to be someone who who percieves your level too high. This is how the game will be reverted to kindergarden levels, because someone will always think the game is too hard or takes an excessive amount of time.

You keep taking about "EVERYONE should be able to have exactly the same things" and under my suggestion they "can" have them. It is their own choice and based on their own ability which determines what gear they would have.

[Sarick]

Increasing the drop rate 5% per tier does not mean that joe pink isnt going to get his RNG 1/1 while Mr. Hardcore elite won't go 1/100 (obvious exaggeration but point is still valid). You're asking for special treatment for people with less play time and less ability to complete content no matter what where as I am asking for content available for anyone. SE does not have to only make content my 5 year old can dominate nor should they.
do not for whatever reason. That's like caping the score on a game like bubble breaker at 1 because if not everyone can reach that score they might feel inadequate.

You want hardcore content options then to be fair make easy content combat path/options to balance it out. Giving one side better statistical gear isn't balanced. Letting them have a higher drop rate should be what its about. SE knows this that's why they made drop rates so horrible for VW content. What's your clever retort for this, it's just my imagination or something maybe?

[Arcon]

I apologize in advance for the long post, I promise I'll keep my future posts shorter. I won't be repeating things I say in here again, in future I'll just reference them when I have to reply with the same things over and over again because some people just don't get it.

Solution = People doing content on higher levels get higher drop rates, not unique stats or gear.

Wrong. This is not a solution. We say we want something. You say we can't get it and should take something entirely unrelated instead. That's not a solution. It doesn't cater to our request at all.

Which should be enough, if you fight Kaggen, you have 1% chance at a Mekira, you fight Kaggen Hard mode(no atma), you get a 5% chance, you fight Kaggen Very Hard mode(no atma or temps), you get 20% chance, or you fight Kaggen Insanity mode(no atma, temps, or 2-hour abilities) you get a 50% chance. Raising the chances of the rewards as you go up.

I'm not at all saying this is a bad idea. I would jump at that. But it's still not what we're asking for in this thread.

Where exactly did I say "Suck it" in a phrase. It's stuff like this that you can't quote because I never said "Suck it" that may be up to your interpretation but saying words I didn't write shows you grasping at straws.

It's called paraphrasing.

I also said the reason I think it doesn't compare for you is because you feel inadequacy and need something special to make you feel more accomplished then Joe pink.

It doesn't just "not compare for me" it does not compare at all. The reason you think it is doesn't matter and doesn't add anything to this discussion. I could just as well say that you're just a gimp who's scared of not being able to do what us good players can and that's why you're throwing a fit at the idea. But that's just as asinine a statement and I know better than to stoop that low. I guess you don't.

Why I could care less if you got a golden suit of armor to prance around in. I do see others biting their fingernails trying to get the +1 versions and frustration from the hardcore content they are unworthy of. Good going separate the less skilled and disabled players from feeling accomplished.

If you're playing this game to feel accomplished, then how can you not want to be good? If that's what you wanna be, then it's likely you're one of the hardcore gamers. I know many people of all different categories, and people who play to have fun (which you claim should be the norm) do not care for being accomplished, nor do they care for having every piece of gear there is. I know tons of people who will never go after a Defending Ring and who are totally find with that. And if someone does want it, I know they're willing to put the effort in. That is all I'm asking here (only with the luck-aspect removed in this case).

I changed my mind I'm totally not for this, at all then. Why it's people like you that are greedy and want more more more. Destructive greed that causes imbalance has shown me that If there are multiple paths like you ask such in your way then it would further separate the community into haves and have nots pre-abysea. The solution I gave wasn't a dead disagreement it was a compromise. Since you can't compromise then you want to throw it all out window by making an arse of yourself.

As I said above, you just said we can't get have what we want and should be fine with something else entirely. That's not a compromise at all. There's nothing destructive about what I'm suggesting. Every person with more than half a brain cell knows that this is a game. In a game you either play for fun or play to win. If you play for fun, adding new gear doesn't have to interest you in the first place, if the content is no fun for you you simply won't do it. If you play to win then this is precisely what you're playing for: to strife to get the things you want.

Really, how many people have fully upgraded EMPs? Humm, I don't just mean the level 99 versions I mean the FULLY upgraded emps. Take a step back now and tell me do you have a fully upgraded emp? My guess is a fat no. Even the small numbers of players with hardcore skills don't have these. They are a lot of work.

What the hell does this have to do with anything discussed here? This is the complete opposite of what I was asking. Having an empyrean at 99 takes literally zero skill, you can buy the entire thing. And even if you don't buy it but try to farm it, it still takes almost zero skill. Most HMP mobs are laughable. Only the Riftdross/Riftcinder require some amount of planning and strategy, but even then it's not hard to do with people simply think while they're playing.

And for the record, as I said before, I just finished my Mandau. Now I'm working on my Ukonvasara. With current progress it should be Lv99 in about three months' time. I still don't see how this is in any way relevant to the discussion. When I get it it will not prove that I'm hardcore or skilled. It will just prove that I had nothing else that was more important to invest of. The rest is just a matter of time.

My suggestion/compromise would help those hardcore get their gear just faster. If that's not good enough then what is?

Better gear. Your suggestion wouldn't help us get anything that couldn't be gotten another way. It's not a testiment to a player's skill. It's just an item with no more meaning than it had before, and as such is not an incentive to try harder.

Have you been playing to much on the test server to quantify relevance of the live server from these leet items or is it you just need some emotional crutch?

I normally really don't care for personal attacks, but this is really getting old. Your entire argument revolves around me being a showoff or otherwise emotionally needy person. It's getting tiresome to keep having to reply to that. Please say something original for a change.

What are you smoking, Joe pink wouldn't get it, most people might just quit. I've had about 12 people tell me when the last phase of VW was put in they didn't like the direction SE was headed toward obsessively hardcore grinding content. You guessed it these people quit. So much for keeping the veterans with low drop rates for tougher enemies. Even with the (easy mode cheats) not everyone can win. Practice doesn't make perfect.

Yes, that's why Voidwatch sucks ass. Good we agree on something. And this is completely unrelated to anything we have suggested. The thing that made Voidwatch suck (and by extension the thing that made people rage and quit) was the low drop rates. And as I said before, we do not as for more RNG dominated content. We hate it just as much as everyone else.

And Voidwatch is literally so easy that I haven't seen a single shout party that didn't win whatever they were set out to do in almost a year. That was before the weakening items even. Now it's easier. The only harder parts are the high tier Jeuno runs, everything else can be won by everyone. And this is not just an elitist statement, but an observation: because I'm actually seeing every single person who sets out to do a shout run win. This is not my opinion, this is what is actually happening. So you can't be honest when you say that Joe pink can't win it, because he most definitely can.

The truth is Joe Pink would get the big F'you when he ask to join these groups. You really want Joe pink to feel inferior because the players in this game can be real jerks to less skilled players. Go ahead try lie to everyone more. This is what ruins the game and causes people to quit over frustration.

Arguing with you has really lost all of its appeal to me. You have your fingers stuck deep in your ears and are humming, unwilling to hear anything I have to say. Here's the thing though, the only subjective thing I said was that I, personally, don't care about exclusivity or being superior to others. That's the only thing I can't prove. Everything else I said was fact. It's a fact that better items and a better chance at the same items are different things. It's a fact that something like this can be done without the RNG screwing you over. It's a fact that content like this can be made accessible to everyone. It's a fact that most people who play for entertainment don't care about some items being out of their reach (because entertainment is determined by events themselves, not rewards). Absolutely everything you say is based on your belief of what you think is right and what you think I want, none of which seem very convincing to me.

You sit back with the jaded belief that the community wants content like this when the outcry from the majority says otherwise.

Again you're factually wrong. I don't believe that. I can see that some people are opposed to it. I know that there are some people who want it though.

You then insult me for standing up for what I think would harm the community. Good going, I insult you back, excellent compromise.

Again, wrong. I never insulted you at all. I called you daft because after saying something twice before you still didn't get it. And now I told you a third time and you're still prancing around the issue and redirecting everything I say with your personal opinions and unrelated statements. That's a valid reason for calling someone daft. If you replied with something other than how I wanted to show off my epeen I may give you a more pleasant response, but nothing you said so far compelled me to do that.

Poor example, in the game when leveling a character its power increases dynamically each new level. Under your fair system a players skill or natural ability has the ability to reach the same level in skill. This is flawed in itself because everyone learns differently and has inherent limits to their mastery of a given skill. Again, prove me wrong here.

You tell me if the people winning gold metals at the Olympics can be achieved by any random person off the street? No, they worked hard busted their butts and have skill sets that some would call superhuman. Joe pink is an average player and you're standing on your soap box saying I want better stuff to differentiate me from Joe pink so I'm more awesome gear wise. Joe pink doesn't have a chance in hell.

How can you possibly say that without knowing the content? I am not asking for an absolute FFXI ranking, the best gets something that the second-best doesn't. That's you reading bullshit into my words to please your own agenda. Yes, maybe Joe pink will never be as good as Jack silver, but that doesn't mean he can't clear the content required for it under various circumstances, like in a group that negates some of his weak points. I've played with some really big noobs, and everyone I've met in seven years of playing could be molded and taught into a person that was worth having at any event (and I've done literally every event there is or was in FFXI). That's where you're comparison fails (unlike mine). In the Olympics there's only one Gold winner. About seven billion people are worse than them. That's not the case here. Even the second and third and fourth best, and many more can win and thus get the gold medal.

Sure, you may not get an entire alliance of absolutely horrendous people with no one to teach them to clear every content, but that's not even the case right now and that will never be the case. I saw an alliance wipe to Itzpapalotl just a few weeks ago. That stuff happens. That's where diversity comes in: only a few of them need to get better. Lesser efficient people can be assigned to lesser requiring roles, and more efficient people to more important ones. Everyone has their part to play. I have actual evidence to support that because I've run several events and a linkshell with people with a largely (as in absolute majority) social and casual background, and we've cleared pretty much everything at 75 (except AV and PW) and everything except Neo-Einherjar and Legion right now (and that's because we're not doing those atm, I'm running them with a different shell). And it was rough sometimes, because we were all underskilled and inexperienced. And we're still not great players. But with dedication and effort and a willingness to learn we were able to win things after a while. Sometimes it was easier, sometimes rougher, depending on our luck and attendance, but we got there.

And when we did it was an amazing feeling. Your first Proto-Ultima win, your first Dynamis Lord win, your first Ouryu win. Those moments we all worked for and we will all remember. That's the moments I enjoyed most in the game. That's the thing I want to have in the game again.

You want hardcore content options then to be fair make easy content combat path/options to balance it out. Giving one side better statistical gear isn't balanced. Letting them have a higher drop rate should be what its about. SE knows this that's why they made drop rates so horrible for VW content. What's your clever retort for this, it's just my imagination or something maybe?

I know this wasn't directed at me, but I just want a clarification, because I can't figure out what your point is. Are you saying SE is deliberately evil for making VW drop rate so low? That they're trying to punish the playerbase or something? And how is being better giving us an edge in the drop rate anyway? I really don't get what you're trying to say at all here. Not that it's related to this anyway, because as I said above, VW is a really bad example. We don't want anything with a low drop rate and we never said that.

[Sarick]

I apologize in advance for the long post, I promise I'll keep my future posts shorter. I won't be repeating things I say in here again, in future I'll just reference them when I have to reply with the same things over and over again because some people just don't get it.

Wrong. This is not a solution. We say we want something. You say we can't get it and should take something entirely unrelated instead. That's not a solution. It doesn't cater to our request at all.

I stopped reading when you said Wrong. I already provided relevance and backing. Others who's posted also took the same stance as me. You can stonewall all you want it's not helping you, You and your buddy still haven't provided enough content in your post to hold any ground. I specifically pointed out flaws in your designs and aspirations yet you still push despite the evidence of both the community and the designers who communicate with the community have said.

Several people have told you that they don't like the original posters ideas/rant or your system. Stand up be proud that you tried then step back gracefully.