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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    You never gave a solution. You told us to suck it. That is very different.
    Where exactly did I say "Suck it" in a phrase. It's stuff like this that you can't quote because I never said "Suck it" that may be up to your interpretation but saying words I didn't write shows you grasping at straws.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I already told you twice why it doesn't compare. And I gave reasons for it as well. Although the complexity of it seems to be beyond your understanding. Tl;dr, a greater reward possibility is inherently different from a greater reward. That's not up for debate. If you don't get that, you have no place arguing here.
    I also said the reason I think it doesn't compare for you is because you feel inadequacy and need something special to make you feel more accomplished then Joe pink.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I'll tell you what's a contradiction. You're telling people that we only want good items to show off. Then you tell us that we should just get the same gear in a different color, which is good for absolutely nothing other than showing off. Better gear has a purpose. Different colors don't. They are just to show people how good you are. That's the definition of showing off. You suggest this and at the same time belittle people for it. That's a contradiction.
    Why I could care less if you got a golden suit of armor to prance around in. I do see others biting their fingernails trying to get the +1 versions and frustration from the hardcore content they are unworthy of. Good going separate the less skilled and disabled players from feeling accomplished.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    (Also, logic can't be contradicted. Your perpetually bad choice of words does not help your agenda.)
    I changed my mind I'm totally not for this, at all then. Why it's people like you that are greedy and want more more more. Destructive greed that causes imbalance has shown me that If there are multiple paths like you ask such in your way then it would further separate the community into haves and have nots pre-abysea. The solution I gave wasn't a dead disagreement it was a compromise. Since you can't compromise then you want to throw it all out window by making an arse of yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    I bolded the terribly wrong part. You can't seem to wrap your head around the fact that that's no incentive to play better. Also, it is still not a display of skill. I can farm Dynamis as fast as possible and it still requires no strategy, no reaction to bad situations (because there are none), no skill. When there's no challenge involved, every achievement seems lackluster.
    Really, how many people have fully upgraded EMPs? Humm, I don't just mean the level 99 versions I mean the FULLY upgraded emps. Take a step back now and tell me do you have a fully upgraded emp? My guess is a fat no. Even the small numbers of players with hardcore skills don't have these. They are a lot of work.

    My suggestion/compromise would help those hardcore get their gear just faster. If that's not good enough then what is? Have you been playing to much on the test server to quantify relevance of the live server from these leet items or is it you just need some emotional crutch?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    But that's the thing you're too daft to understand: Joe pink can get it. No one is suggesting HNM-style competition that inherently excludes others. It's not that if some guy is a good player others can't be too. There's no limited supply of player skill in FFXI that some people just have more of. Everyone should get a chance, everyone should be able to. But everyone should be required to work for it, and I don't mean by grinding 10k of X or 30k of Y. I mean by improving so that they are good enough to get it eventually.
    What are you smoking, Joe pink wouldn't get it, most people might just quit. I've had about 12 people tell me when the last phase of VW was put in they didn't like the direction SE was headed toward obsessively hardcore grinding content. You guessed it these people quit. So much for keeping the veterans with low drop rates for tougher enemies. Even with the (easy mode cheats) not everyone can win. Practice doesn't make perfect.

    The truth is Joe Pink would get the big F'you when he ask to join these groups. You really want Joe pink to feel inferior because the players in this game can be real jerks to less skilled players. Go ahead try lie to everyone more. This is what ruins the game and causes people to quit over frustration.

    You sit back with the jaded belief that the community wants content like this when the outcry from the majority says otherwise. You then insult me for standing up for what I think would harm the community. Good going, I insult you back, excellent compromise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    Your argument can be applied to the entire game: "That Lv35 guy can't do Dynamis? Then everybody doing it is excluding him, obviously." That statement is inherently flawed. He's just not on the right level to do it yet (in this case literally). The same can be said for Joe pink. No one is stopping him from participating. But he may not be on the level to win it yet. But no one's stopping him from getting there either. It may just require work on his part.
    Poor example, in the game when leveling a character its power increases dynamically each new level. Under your fair system a players skill or natural ability has the ability to reach the same level in skill. This is flawed in itself because everyone learns differently and has inherent limits to their mastery of a given skill. Again, prove me wrong here.

    You tell me if the people winning gold metals at the Olympics can be achieved by any random person off the street? No, they worked hard busted their butts and have skill sets that some would call superhuman. Joe pink is an average player and you're standing on your soap box saying I want better stuff to differentiate me from Joe pink so I'm more awesome gear wise. Joe pink doesn't have a chance in hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreamin View Post
    wow, this is still going on. I can only think of 1 thing tbh:

    You obviously can't think much.
    Waoh, this fella was just stating the obvious.
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    Last edited by Sarick; 08-15-2012 at 04:38 AM.
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