FFXI fixed!

[Sarick]

To me, your both right on certain things. Not every Joe/Jane pink will stay that way, we were all "noobs" at one point, so if some can raise to the top then so can the rest of us. But not everyone aspires to reach the top, some are content to just do whatever or the easiest content and then leave the game. And others don't mind sitting in the middle, neither being above par or below it. And then of course you have the few that want to dominate this game. I know people who I've personally offered to get +1 for and they refused, saying Aurore/Perle/Teal did just fine.

But I've also seen people go from being Aurore/Perle/Teal and build up to the best gear and multiple empys and relics. We all play this game for different reasons and have different opinions and wants.

Bottom line is; looking at the first post having seven likes and the third having fifty-six. Right now, you few are in the minority and I don't think it's honestly worth SE's time to incoporate something that only a small percentage would take advantage of and the rest wouldn't bother. Most people are still busy working on clearing Nyzul Uncharted, Legion and all of the new revamped content and preparing for the new content that's coming, I suggest "hardcores" work on all the current content and wait to see New Salvage and Seekers also before asking for this.

I can't argue with this at all it's clear cut to the point and an excellent post. Kudo's and a 100% like. I wish it was simple to explain the minority with just those numbers. It's unfortunate that sometimes it takes more then a good point to make someone recognize this.

When arguing with Ar con about moral implications or personal bias his stance doesn't recognize these things. He overlooks or has forgotten the real history and/or common knowledge about the community thats available to everyone.

There's no doubt, in my mind his views represent the same rant posed in the original post but is trying to make it more appealing to people in his messages. I may be wrong but the effort to defend this topic against the votes speaks for itself.

[Arcon]

When arguing with Ar con about moral implications or personal bias his stance doesn't recognize these things. He overlooks or has forgotten the real history and/or common knowledge about the community thats available to everyone.

You have yet to tell me why you think I'm biased, or even what I'm biased towards. You also have yet to tell me how anything I suggested is immoral. It seems you've completely stepped away from trying to make a counterpoint to the suggestion and put all your efforts into your personal crusade against me. And now you just completely agree with anything people say that isn't supporting me, even when you don't realize what they're talking about.

There's no doubt, in my mind his views represent the same rant posed in the original post but is trying to make it more appealing to people in his messages. I may be wrong but the effort to defend this topic against the votes speaks for itself.

I'm not defending it against the votes, I'm defending it against groundless propaganda. If an idea is presented and the masses dislike it, I can live with that. If some idiot comes along and starts to spout bullshit wherever they can to taint the people arguing in either party and/or the idea presented, I'll do what I can to call them out on it. Fortunately you've moved on from defending your position to trying to insult me with petty attempts. Since I feel no need to defend myself against your accusations, that means there's less work for me involved.

[Sarick]

If an idea is presented and the masses dislike it, I can live with that.

By responding in just does that make your points any more valid? You didn't bring anything to the table or offer something useful to compromise with the topic either. It appeared as a devote attempt toward a single direction. It also appeared as though the masses didn't exist or you simply didn't care about them.

If some idiot comes along and starts to spout bullshit wherever they can to taint the people arguing in either party and/or the idea presented, I'll do what I can to call them out on it. Fortunately you've moved on from defending your position to trying to insult me with petty attempts. Since I feel no need to defend myself against your accusations, that means there's less work for me involved.

I don't deny this, but keep in mind it was intentional to find what makes you tick, so the idiot part is a misunderstanding on your part. I know exactly what I'm doing to test your resolve.

I believe that many of them are just afraid that the result will be another Neo-Nyzul. Neo-Nyzul fits the description of what's suggested if you look at it superficially, as it has different rewards based on different floors you can clear. But I'd tell you this, if the event itself wasn't quite this luck-dependant and had a few annoying time wasters removed it would be a lot more popular and you'd see many people trying to clear it.

I agree with this partly people are afraid. History confirms this. Why?, It'd still have the luck a factor and exclude some players who try as they might manage to fail after a substantial amount of attempts. Just trying to beat the floors should reward players with performance points they can use toward the best gear. This is another alternative to having HQ gear drop in all pools.

Performance points would still be based around their performance meaning they'd learn from the process but encouraged to keep working at it. I've been trying to say this all along to imply sense fairness in the previous system. Players could team up with average players the way abysea content is setup and eventually get the gear they want.

It would be a matter of adjusting it to a fair level, but if that was done correctly, I say it would be very popular among the playerbase. Imagine a Neo-Nyzul where you'd get a piece guaranteed depending on the floor you cleared even if you overshoot (like getting a guaranteed F80 piece if you get to F85). Now imagine that same Nyzul with some luck factors removed (for example no lamp floors and constant 7 floor jumps). I'd bet you a relic that people would do the shit out of it.

And even if they didn't make it to the top, they'd still get rewarded depending on their performance. Despite that, they still wouldn't lose motivation to try if they saw that F100 was within their reach. This, in turn, would give them many chances to practice the content.

They'd get better at communication, identifying the right mobs, positioning and pathing, even the random fights within the event. I know this for a fact because the same was true with regular Nyzul at 75, and I've been in enough parties to notice. You could definitely identify a Nyzul newbie and tell him apart from the guy who was 0/40 on Askar Gambieras.

I disagree with placing fodder gear into the game. It just doesn't generate interest you think it does. Have you seen the lower tiers of Neo Nyzul gear? It's trash and worthless in comparison to gear of the same level. The only gear thats useful is from the highest floors. The rest is literally absolute junk.

Under my revised suggestion everyone would still have a chance at the higher tier stuff for trying. Players who compete at the higher level and win would be rewarded with 100% and/or 100% items to be used upgrades for related content. Players who compete and fail still are rewarded in a different way. In my previous example I was for a drop bonus for higher tiers.

If they feel the content is to hard they can opt for a lower tier with a penalty in their performance allowances. Likewise, If they think they can do better or want a higher challenge they can choose a higher tier and be rewarded with greater performance allowances. This allows everyone a chance at the same content and doesn't exclude anyone.

It's just a matter of adjusting the event so it actually is doable.

I strongly disagree. it should also about creating motivation for players to participate in higher teirs. Simply put motivating them with performance allowances that they can use to purchase the high quality gear. This would make it available to everyone.

I want to hear why you would disagree any with this. I've written the core aspects and painted a picture as best I could without insulting you, implying personal bias or attacking your credibility. If you have a better solution or compromise lets hear it.

[Komori]

I understand what you meant Arcon. But I can assure you, SE will never make an event even of this difficulty caliber and it being 100% unless your hitting the very tippy top. But since they would be super buffing this piece of equipment since this event would be harder than anything currently ingame then it's pretty much a given they'd have to give it suberb stats to get anyone to do it, that's the only reason people do Neo Nyzul. Because it's gear pretty much outdoes anything else we have right now. And because of these stats; SE would more than likely in return make it a very small drop rate and we would be in the same boat as before.

[Sarick]

I understand what you meant Arcon. But I can assure you, SE will never make an event even of this difficulty caliber and it being 100% unless your hitting the very tippy top. But since they would be super buffing this piece of equipment since this event would be harder than anything currently ingame then it's pretty much a given they'd have to give it suberb stats to get anyone to do it, that's the only reason people do Neo Nyzul. Because it's gear pretty much outdoes anything else we have right now. And because of these stats; SE would more than likely in return make it a very small drop rate and we would be in the same boat as before.

Did you like my last system, in the post I last created? I didn't see a like so I'm assuming you overlooked my post or found it's content of low quality. Yet again I agree with you here on scales of challenge/difficulty. You haven't been directly arguing against me so I'm unsure of your opinion/suggestion in my recent reply to Arcon.

I want you to help validate if my revised solution seems doable and fair to everyone. It's much like relic purchases but non-transferable.

[Arcon]

By responding in just does that make your points any more valid? You didn't bring anything to the table or offer something useful to compromise with the topic either. It appeared as a devote attempt toward a single direction. It also appeared as though the masses didn't exist or you simply didn't care about them.

I didn't offer a compromise because you've done nothing to convince me that this idea isn't perfectly valid. And the masses aren't arguing against me, you are. The masses are silently ignoring us both.

I don't deny this, but keep in mind it was intentional to find what makes you tick, so the idiot part is a misunderstanding on your part. I know exactly what I'm doing to test your resolve.

"I know I was being stupid, but I did it on purpose to test if you would realize I was being stupid!"

I disagree with placing fodder gear into the game. It just doesn't generate interest you think it does. Have you seen the lower tiers of Neo Nyzul gear? It's trash and worthless in comparison to gear of the same level. The only gear thats useful is from the highest floors. The rest is literally absolute junk.

You're completely out of your mind. The lower tier Nyzul gear is still good. Great even. So what if it doesn't compare to the full reward? If it did, why would anyone try to do it? Shoot for the top, but be awarded for what you achieve.

Under my revised suggestion everyone would still have a chance at the higher tier stuff for trying. Players who compete at the higher level and win would be rewarded with 100% and/or 100% items to be used upgrades for related content. Players who compete and fail still are rewarded in a different way. In my previous example I was for a drop bonus for higher tiers.

I want to hear why you would disagree any with this. I've written the core aspects and painted a picture as best I could without insulting you, implying personal bias or attacking your credibility. If you have a better solution or compromise lets hear it.

Your "revised suggestion" is the same crap that you've been trying to force-feed down my throat for the better part of a week. And I already said on the first few pages why it didn't compare. And several more times after that. It's the same "patience should substitute skill" philosophy you've been preaching all along in this thread, which is precisely what I took an issue with. It's nothing new. Zero compromise, the one thing you've been accusing me of for about twenty pages now.

I understand what you meant Arcon. But I can assure you, SE will never make an event even of this difficulty caliber and it being 100% unless your hitting the very tippy top. But since they would be super buffing this piece of equipment since this event would be harder than anything currently ingame then it's pretty much a given they'd have to give it suberb stats to get anyone to do it, that's the only reason people do Neo Nyzul. Because it's gear pretty much outdoes anything else we have right now. And because of these stats; SE would more than likely in return make it a very small drop rate and we would be in the same boat as before.

Why are you so sure? And even if you were, why shouldn't we still suggest it? If they don't listen, whatever, it'll be the same as it is now. On the off chance they do, it could possibly be something great.

[FrankReynolds]

You're completely out of your mind. The lower tier Nyzul gear is still good. Great even. So what if it doesn't compare to the full reward? If it did, why would anyone try to do it? Shoot for the top, but be awarded for what you achieve.

Be honest. Have you ever seen anyone wearing the gear from any floor besides 100? I haven't. As a matter of fact, I just had to look it up to be sure I would even recognize it if I did.

[Arcon]

Be honest. Have you ever seen anyone wearing the gear from any floor besides 100?

Never. Because the event is not designed to put out that gear. If it worked like I suggested a while ago, lots of people would be wearing it. Right now, everyone wants to shoot for the top, so they aim at F100. But if they get 99, which is already impressive, they get nothing out of it. That's why I said it should reward people depending on how they perform. Giving them a F80 win if they get to 90+ (even without aiming for 80 specifically) would fix that. Then people would still shoot for 100, but would also be rewarded depending on how good they did.

[Sarick]

I didn't offer a compromise because you've done nothing to convince me that this idea isn't perfectly valid. And the masses aren't arguing against me, you are. The masses are silently ignoring us both.

The only thing you done is put nothing on the table but another easy button alternative. Everything you've been saying up to this point just leads me deeper into the belief that you don't want to compromise anything. It's the simplest solution to the evidence at hand. As for the masses they don't need to argue with you. The masses speak when they don't use the content to it's full potential.

You're completely out of your mind. The lower tier Nyzul gear is still good. Great even. So what if it doesn't compare to the full reward? If it did, why would anyone try to do it? Shoot for the top, but be awarded for what you achieve.

There is better stuff players can use. Frank supports my stance on this and posed a unique argument. Your denial only exist because you have no other defense. It's the community who ultimately decides if they think it's good or not not you or me. I think it's total junk and I have every right to say this.

On a further note I didn't see any of the lower tier equipment in your equip history. I wonder why...

Your "revised suggestion" is the same crap that you've been trying to force-feed down my throat for the better part of a week. And I already said on the first few pages why it didn't compare. And several more times after that. It's the same "patience should substitute skill" philosophy you've been preaching all along in this thread, which is precisely what I took an issue with. It's nothing new. Zero compromise, the one thing you've been accusing me of for about twenty pages now.

What's the same?, whats different?, Whats your solution? why is it your solution? why? why? why? You still haven't given anything other then obscure personal bias. The masses can't work with that, and the developers can't work with it either.

Again, you're wrong. It's not the same thing. The first was totally depended on the luck of higher drop rates at higher tiers. The revision is based around performance assessment points. Totally different in that respect. The only part that wasn't modified is the fact that all players could eventually get it through effort. The burden of proof shifts in my favor if you can't prove otherwise.

The fact remains you want it one way and one way only, "It's my way or the highway." You can't even create a plausible alternative yet, you argue about it like their are better methods. If everyone lived by that logic we'd still be living in the stone ages. People would complain or argue about things and never attempt to find solutions for them. It's very destructive path. It fails in so many ways.

Come up with a compromise that puts the items in all tiers without "force feeding" your personal bias. You know the 'If you can't beat it you don't deserve it, GTFO" mentality.' I urge you to at least try to show a little bit of ingenuity and creativeness. I really doubt you have the skills or patience to do this. If you can't come up with an alternative compromise then you should just try harder. Are you up to the challenge or do you not have the skill set to be creative?

If you say no, then you're hypocrite. Why, I offered you a challenge. If we base this around your methodology people who can't conform don't deserve reward. The reward is recognition that you're capable of doing more then just disagreeing. In this case if you can't put solutions on the table you should follow your on beliefs and consider more training. Shoot for the top, but be awarded for what you achieve.

Why are you so sure? And even if you were, why shouldn't we still suggest it? If they don't listen, whatever, it'll be the same as it is now. On the off chance they do, it could possibly be something great.

I'll bring up a famous quote of relevance by George Santayana. He said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." I think the games hardcore history speaks for itself.

[Demon6324236]

Never. Because the event is not designed to put out that gear. If it worked like I suggested a while ago, lots of people would be wearing it. Right now, everyone wants to shoot for the top, so they aim at F100. But if they get 99, which is already impressive, they get nothing out of it. That's why I said it should reward people depending on how they perform. Giving them a F80 win if they get to 90+ (even without aiming for 80 specifically) would fix that. Then people would still shoot for 100, but would also be rewarded depending on how good they did.

I have seen some people wearing the +2~3 gear but its very rare to see. In either case I plan to do my static I am working on weirdly I suppose, because my plan is to gear everyone up to a good standard, then try to hit 80 3~4 runs for some +3 gear. Heavy DD body is still good for WSs given the +WS%, while the legs are still a nice STP/Haste piece, and the hands are not to bad for WSs.