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[Komori]

But not every casual will always work towards long-term goals such as a relic or empyrean. I don't have any currently, but I have done considerable progress towards Almace and should have one soon. As BLU is one of my favorite jobs. And I also plan to do a Vere, Twash, Mandau and Ragnarok all in due time but I want to take my time and have fun doing so instead of mindlessly grinding for a week or two for the empys and a few months for said relics.

[Demon6324236]

But not every casual will always work towards long-term goals such as a relic or empyrean. I don't have any currently, but I have done considerable progress towards Almace and should have one soon. As BLU is one of my favorite jobs. And I also plan to do a Vere, Twash, Mandau and Ragnarok all in due time but I want to take my time and have fun doing so instead of mindlessly grinding for a week or two for the empys and a few months for said relics.

Sounds alot like me on this aspect. I could have in all honesty finished my Excalibur for my RDM months ago by just Fell Cleaving, it would have taken me about a good 2~3 weeks at most, instead it has taken me 6 months because I have been going slow with it. Rather than bore myself out of my mine simply for a weapon which I would look at as an annoyance to obtain rather than a powerful tool of death that I would then wield.

[Sarick]

If that's the case, Joe Pink needs to step out of the pink and get himself some AF3+1 or AF3+2. It's not hard. On top of that, it's casual content. Also you automatically assume that every shout for VWs such as Kaggen or Akvan requires relic/empy. This is not the case all of the time; simply only how the specific person running the event wishes to set it up.

You must have missed my post about the Olympics and natural limits on skill mastery being different for every person. They only send Jimmy Leet to the Olympics because his skill sets are near superhuman levels. Jimmy pink doesn't qualify in the same tier. However, They do have Special Olympics for the people with disabilities. These people also get gold medals. This example is a bit extreme but, it is a good representation of the reality between Joe Pink and Jimmy Leet on this game.

There are several factors here that can limit Joe/Jane Pink that go beyond their control. Here are a few.

#1 Personality. (Social compatibility)
#2 Skill or natural limits.
#3 Time limits and/or schedule
#4 Luck

So, You still want to defend that argument, or do you also think the people who are less fortunate unworthy like the people on the other side of the field? They might not openly say it but the distinct wording creates that moral assumption.

[vienne]

You must have missed my post about the Olympics and natural limits on skill mastery being different for every person. They only send Jimmy Leet to the Olympics because his skill sets are near superhuman levels. Jimmy pink doesn't qualify in the same tier. However, They do have Special Olympics for the people with disabilities. These people also get gold medals. This example is a bit extreme but, it is a good representation of the reality between Joe Pink and Jimmy Leet on this game.

There are several factors here that can limit Joe/Jane Pink that go beyond their control. Here are a few.

#1 Personality. (Social compatibility)
#2 Skill or natural limits.
#3 Time limits and/or schedule
#4 Luck

So, You still want to defend that argument, or do you also think the people who are less fortunate unworthy like the people on the other side of the field? They might not openly say it but the distinct wording creates that moral assumption.

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

[Shoko]

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

This reply sums up my sentiments. There's really no excuse as to why a person in below par gear can't at least get AF3+1. That content has been dummed so far down, you can even quest for it at an extremely slow pace.

Also I feel that if you aren't willing to put in the time and effort into gearing yourself properly, you don't deserve the finer things that the rest of the players are aiming for, plain and simple. Everyone is running the same rat race for the top gear, should they choose to aim for it.

[Komori]

I don't know why peopel don't get +1 at the very least. None of my jobs have been pink since the cap first raised, even my COR12 and RNG7 have full +1 with 3/5 or 2/5 +2 already. All jobs I level have weapons to level into as well, I do the gearing before the job can wear such armor. Why others don't do this, I don't know. It literally takes an hour or two altogether to get a piece of +1 or +2.

[Shoko]

I know of the hyper minority type of casual player that Sarick is referring too. They are the types of players that moan and complain about the general difficulty of events to get top gear, and yet will put in zero effort. They are also more than likely to be super reclusive and won't join LSes devoted to events. These same players won't put in the effort to get the most basic of high level equipment, even if it's for their main job.

They make up just about 1 or 2% of the general FFXI population over all, if not less.

[FrankReynolds]

Random number like 3/4ths are fun.

I won't because it's irrelevant. That's a completely made up number with zero relevance to this topic.

It's not random and it's not irrelevant. It is a lowball estimate as to how many people would be excluded from the drops your requesting. In reality, something harder than what is currently available (because nothing seems rewarding right now apparently) would probably be out of the question for more players than that. Think really hard. How are they goiing to design something that's hard enough to make you feel accomplished, but easy enough that even 1/4 of the rest of the players can finish it too? They can't. The number is just to illustrate the size of the problem. It's not meant to be an exact count of the number of people who can't do imaginary things. I think it's obvious to everyone that I wasn't claiming to have measured the skill level of every player in the game. Your just splitting hairs here.

I look around PJ and I don't even see 1/4 of people wearing all of the best drops from current events, and you want something that even less people can get.

I do that. I perform the best I can, always. It would just be nice to actually be rewarded for it. And the bolded part is wrong. See any one of my fifty previous posts for an explanation.

It's not wrong. This thread is about getting gear that lesser skilled players cannot get. It's not about getting it faster than lesser skilled players. If you don't want lesser skilled players (and by skilled, I mean people who don't have an shell full of relic wielders at their disposal) from getting the gear, then you are debating the wrong person.

The bolded part is wrong, again. And I agree with the rest. I play for achievement, I already do everything what you say. I play to progress my character. I do things that don't give me anything other than the satisfaction of having done them. As I said before, it would simply be nice to actually be rewarded something useful for your efforts. Not everyone shares my mentality and does shit for the hell of it, and despite what you may think I'm very sure that applies to a lot of people because I already know many people this applies to personally. Everyone wants a reward, and speed is rarely an issue. The only difference to now is that skill does not play a big role in many of the events. If there were no rewards at all, no one would be playing, not even you.

I'm not even sure what your arguing for anymore...? It sounds like you like the content already in the game and you don't want gear that normal players can't get. Which is the opposite of what the op is asking for. If all you want is less RNG based crap, just say it, because that is not what the OP wants. He is trying to play innocent, but his motivation is to draw a firm line between who he sees as entitled and the unworthy.

I'm fine with there being more skill involved, but the rewards should be attainable by everyone if they are going to affect performance. You keep repeating that AF+2 is great, but I'm sure that you realize that with every new event they come out with, it gets less and less great in comparison right? How many iterations of new gear before AF3+2 is irrelevant? Bear in mind, that the gear doesn't just have to be "Good enough" to get by, it has to be impressive enough to get an ally to accept you.

Currently, I get crap on every VW run I do because my LOL SAM has a TP Bonus +100 GK and not a masa. I parse everything. Even when I die a lot, I'm never anywhere near the bottom of the parse. A lot of the time I'm at the top. That is the mentality that I want to get away from. The mentality that someone is gimp because "look at their gear, it's gimpy". Gear is not a good way to measure skill, and I don't want it to be used as such. No matter how well they design an event, there will always be a loophole that allows gimps to get the gear. Why not look for a less disruptive reward then?

[Sarick]

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

First off Joe Pink is a symbolism. Second the people who are lower tier aren't all about pink gear. It's also the weapons and other limiting factors.

Last and most important. If the special gear isn't such a big deal why would it only be reserved for the hardcore? You see where I'm going here? If they want special gear then on top of it being in the Jimmy Leet pool it should also be in the lesser pool at a lower drop rate. That's about as fair as it gets. Since you call yourself a Joe Pink I find it a bid odd that you'd defend this at all.


OH, I see your Arcons girl, buddy, mule. It explains everything.

Had to comment on this.

#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear.

It has all the relevance in the world. If people don't like you or think poorly of you utility is lost when you ask to participate. Everything in that list I wrote was summed up to it's most minor core. I didn't feel like defining every detail associated with each bullet point. I assumed people reading them would branch out each point at a higher level.

[Sarick]

They make up just about 1 or 2% of the general FFXI population over all, if not less.

(I'm going to respond to this Arcon style in my own words.)

This is irrelevant those are made up numbers.