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    I think the point Arcon is trying to make (and has made pretty clearly to me) is that "Joe Pink" (and I'm already sick of that term) can clear the low tier content for the low tier gear so he will no longer be "Joe Pink". Using that gear and the skills obtained through clearing the low tier he will then be better able to succeed at the higher tier content and have a chance at the better rewards it offers.

    Sarick at this point you seem to be ignoring the meat of what Arcon is saying and taking small points out of context and ignoring the overall system he is proposing.

    Arcon please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in my assesment of what you are proposing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaxx View Post
    Arcon please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong in my assesment of what you are proposing.
    No, you're quite correct, and I feel most people got it as well. I did post it about fifteen times so far, so not really surprising. Some disagree, and that's ok too. But he's just posting to have the last word now.

    I'll let him have it, this argument has lost all of its amusement for me. He's trying so hard to discredit me that he makes leaps of judgment and states one groundless assumption after another.

    One final thing to think about, Sarick, is how insulting you are to everyone who's not able to participate in hardcore content right now. You're basically telling them that if they're not hardcore players they'll never improve and always remain insignificant lowly players who will have to settle for whatever scraps they're able to pick up. That alone shows enough of your attitude as well as your faith in the community.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slaxx View Post
    [..] "Joe Pink" (and I'm already sick of that term) [..]
    It's worth to stop arguing any further with just to not have to read that again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcon View Post
    One final thing to think about, Sarick, is how insulting you are to everyone who's not able to participate in hardcore content right now. You're basically telling them that if they're not hardcore players they'll never improve and always remain insignificant lowly players who will have to settle for whatever scraps they're able to pick up. That alone shows enough of your attitude as well as your faith in the community.
    I'm not insulting those players, I'm trying to set a bar where it possible to complete at lower tier with the same rewards at different drop rates. If they can't reach the skill set levels they have a lower tier they can compete on without needing resorting to frustrate themselves or deal with elitist for the same gear.

    No one has fun by saying "I give up F this game!" If, they can learn this fine and dandy but for the love of all that holy don't say shit that this shit or scales to all players at the highest level without realizing the highest levels will always be another minority.

    It's clear you want more challenging content and there are multiple reasons both spoken and unspoken behind this. The thing that pushes buttons is the tiers seem to be setup as method to create gear that one can prance around in and say look at me I beat leet boss.

    You stated that you don't care about this and wouldn't mind it being in the other pools. Even if that's not what you want it still doesn't excuse that this system of yours is harsh for people who can't confirm to the standards of Jimmy leet.

    I attack your credibility because, you're insulting people by implying they don't deserve access to some items or gear even if they can earn it through multiple paths. This isn't good for anyone and separates the community into haves and have nots. The community where players MUST meet the hardcore level of skill or give up.

    I if remember currently I read that you're happy with the games current state, people with the capacity to get things done easily are often happy with the status quo. It then comes down to wanting higher rewards for bigger challenges. Everyone can agree to this at some level unless, it tries to create an illusion that one person is worth more than another. This is what your system does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarick View Post
    I attack your credibility because, you're insulting people by implying they don't deserve access to some items or gear even if they can earn it through multiple paths. This isn't good for anyone and separates the community into haves and have nots. The community where players MUST meet the hardcore level of skill or give up.
    Liar. I wasn't implying that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarick View Post
    I if remember currently I read that you're happy with the games current state, people with the capacity to get things done easily are often happy with the status quo. It then comes down to wanting higher rewards for bigger challenges. Everyone can agree to this at some level unless, it tries to create an illusion that one person is worth more than another. This is what your system does.
    You're mixing things up. I said that I am happy, for myself with the current game. I can already achieve these things and am doing so. But I don't think this is what it should be like. That's why I support difficulty tiers.

    Currently: only one difficulty, hard.
    Suggestion: add more and easier difficulties.

    Here's the thing you don't get (well, one of them): I already have gear that sets me apart from other players. If that was what I wanted, why would I suggest this at all? If I wanted the system to remain that way, I wouldn't care for threads like these. I'd just sit back and relax while SE dishes out more content that I can clear but others can't. You accusing me of wanting to stand out is completely paradoxical, because I already do. I can live with the status quo, because it favors me. But that's not what I think it should be like. This suggestion would make events more accessible and help people get better at content that they currently cannot clear, or even attempt.

    You probably won't believe me anyway, but I'll still say it: the main reason why I want these things added is because I could actually go back to my social LS for events like Legion and Neo-Einherjar. Currently we don't stand a chance there because we only have a few people interested in it and nowhere near enough to efficiently tackle these events. And here's another thing: many people who would help are discouraged from trying because of the difficulty. But with a system that offers several difficulty settings we could be able to get a feel for the event, coordinate our efforts to get more people motivated. And we'd be able to get gear that helps us with the final challenge along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaxx View Post
    I think the point Arcon is trying to make (and has made pretty clearly to me) is that "Joe Pink" (and I'm already sick of that term) can clear the low tier content for the low tier gear so he will no longer be "Joe Pink". Using that gear and the skills obtained through clearing the low tier he will then be better able to succeed at the higher tier content and have a chance at the better rewards it offers.

    Sarick at this point you seem to be ignoring the meat of what Arcon is saying and taking small points out of context and ignoring the overall system he is proposing.
    NO, He wants the same thing the OP wants and Is trying to validate higher tier content with the assumption that everyone has a chance. I made it clear about personal limitations. You can't place content in the game and expect everyone to rank up into superhuman skill. Consider all the objections from the community when content is overdone. You forget the past where players got sick in game fighting a BOSS that only SE knew secrets to beating. This is the HARDCORE content level people need to be made aware of.
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