FFXI fixed!

[Sarick]

If that's the case, Joe Pink needs to step out of the pink and get himself some AF3+1 or AF3+2. It's not hard. On top of that, it's casual content. Also you automatically assume that every shout for VWs such as Kaggen or Akvan requires relic/empy. This is not the case all of the time; simply only how the specific person running the event wishes to set it up.

You must have missed my post about the Olympics and natural limits on skill mastery being different for every person. They only send Jimmy Leet to the Olympics because his skill sets are near superhuman levels. Jimmy pink doesn't qualify in the same tier. However, They do have Special Olympics for the people with disabilities. These people also get gold medals. This example is a bit extreme but, it is a good representation of the reality between Joe Pink and Jimmy Leet on this game.

There are several factors here that can limit Joe/Jane Pink that go beyond their control. Here are a few.

#1 Personality. (Social compatibility)
#2 Skill or natural limits.
#3 Time limits and/or schedule
#4 Luck

So, You still want to defend that argument, or do you also think the people who are less fortunate unworthy like the people on the other side of the field? They might not openly say it but the distinct wording creates that moral assumption.

[vienne]

You must have missed my post about the Olympics and natural limits on skill mastery being different for every person. They only send Jimmy Leet to the Olympics because his skill sets are near superhuman levels. Jimmy pink doesn't qualify in the same tier. However, They do have Special Olympics for the people with disabilities. These people also get gold medals. This example is a bit extreme but, it is a good representation of the reality between Joe Pink and Jimmy Leet on this game.

There are several factors here that can limit Joe/Jane Pink that go beyond their control. Here are a few.

#1 Personality. (Social compatibility)
#2 Skill or natural limits.
#3 Time limits and/or schedule
#4 Luck

So, You still want to defend that argument, or do you also think the people who are less fortunate unworthy like the people on the other side of the field? They might not openly say it but the distinct wording creates that moral assumption.

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

[Shoko]

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

This reply sums up my sentiments. There's really no excuse as to why a person in below par gear can't at least get AF3+1. That content has been dummed so far down, you can even quest for it at an extremely slow pace.

Also I feel that if you aren't willing to put in the time and effort into gearing yourself properly, you don't deserve the finer things that the rest of the players are aiming for, plain and simple. Everyone is running the same rat race for the top gear, should they choose to aim for it.

[Sarick]

I dont see why you compare this with the olympics (and please the special olympics?), thats a form of contest where you dont join if you're not part of the top in that field already, and also there can only be one winner in the olympics. Its not like only one person on a server is entitled to the best gear, everyone can get it if they want. Most of us who are in favour of more challenging content have stated that it should be accessible for all who are willing to make an effort. it sounds like some of you would rather see this game turn into the special olympics where everyone gets a medal at the end of the run.

Bit off topic here cause this thread wasnt about people being pink:
#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear. this is an MMO, being social seems like one of the basic aspects of these kind of games. Everyone can get into an ls, or build a group of friends willing to farm some seals so you can get AF3+1.
#2 Skills have very little to do with a game like ff, you learn your JA/MA/WS and know what to use in which situation I dont call that skill thats just paying attention, you fail once maybe next time will be better and learn from your mistakes. Skill in this game can be molded into any form.
#3 Time limits, getting AF3 isnt that time demanding, getting some pieces of AF1 ask for more time to get then AF3+1
#4 Luck... Well you got me there but those people you call elitist also have to work with the luck factor

Conclusion, there is no reason why someone cant get AF3+1. There's a big difference between someone joining an event in pink cause he just finished lvling his job and hasnt come around to get it and people who show up every week in that same pink outfit.

First off Joe Pink is a symbolism. Second the people who are lower tier aren't all about pink gear. It's also the weapons and other limiting factors.

Last and most important. If the special gear isn't such a big deal why would it only be reserved for the hardcore? You see where I'm going here? If they want special gear then on top of it being in the Jimmy Leet pool it should also be in the lesser pool at a lower drop rate. That's about as fair as it gets. Since you call yourself a Joe Pink I find it a bid odd that you'd defend this at all.


OH, I see your Arcons girl, buddy, mule. It explains everything.

Had to comment on this.

#1 Personality, I dont see what personality has to do with people not getting out of their pink gear.

It has all the relevance in the world. If people don't like you or think poorly of you utility is lost when you ask to participate. Everything in that list I wrote was summed up to it's most minor core. I didn't feel like defining every detail associated with each bullet point. I assumed people reading them would branch out each point at a higher level.

[vienne]

OH, I see your Arcons girl, buddy, mule. It explains everything.

Had to comment on this.


It has all the relevance in the world. If people don't like you or think poorly of you utility is lost when you ask to participate. Everything in that list I wrote was summed up to it's most minor core. I didn't feel like defining every detail associated with each bullet point. I assumed people reading them would branch out each point at a higher level.

I'll comment on your personality thing first, how many times do people have to point it out for you? getting AF3+1 can be done solo (and yes even in pink) or if thats to slow for you, you only need one person to help you to get seals... I mean seriously if the whole server thinks you're a douche it could be a problem but i dont think there are alot of people out there who got blisted by an entire server. 1 friend thats all you need if your personality cant handle that well then maybe an MMO isnt your kind of game and you're better of living in a cave.

And then me being arcon's "girl/buddy/mule" i'm a living breathing person with my own personality and my own thoughts and referring to me as his girl is quite sexist in my eyes. We happen to be in the same ls and we happen to think very differently about many things in this game but on the factor challenge we agree. How low can you go to bring this up in a discussion...? To reply with something Arcon said and which you enjoy quoting too :
This is irrelevant and only shows what kind of person you are, not me. It comes over to me that because I know Arcon I'm not entitled to an opinion and should not voice my thoughts on this forum.

[Sarick]

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Vienne, I'm sorry if you are a real person who might not have been influenced by an outside party. Given the complexity and circumstances apparent in this topic I just can't validate your arguments. The nature of your sudden appearance and views in relation to your linkshell leader etc. are very suspect.

Again, my apology if you wasn't goaded into this topic for nefarious reasons.