FFXI fixed!

[Ragmar]

Also I was lucky in VW I have 80% or more of all drops gear/weapons/scrolls. That's right lucky because VW isnt about skill its about rolling dice.

[Sarick]

Also I was lucky in VW I have 80% or more of all drops gear/weapons/scrolls. That's right lucky because VW isnt about skill its about rolling dice.

Ragmar there are good and bad players. Let's try and explain something about good and bad players..

It takes several things to make a good player..

1. They have a good personality.
2. They work well as a team player.
3. They are skilled and willing to learn.
4. They have free time to invest in a game.
5. They have good gear because of the effort they put into the game.

These are what makes a good player. If one of them is a weak link like a chain it'll break at that link. You sir seem to think that you're an elite player (hears song in head) This contradicts everything you've been promoting because someone who's good isn't conceited like this. A good elite player doesn't need to say they're good. Why?, others will do it for them. If you run around calling people gimp or try to place yourself above others then the chain link breaks at #1. It then trickles down to #2 and then falls apart beyond #3 as anti-social behavior.

I can understand why you would pay for help because from the attitude in this topic it must be pretty hard getting good friends. They need to meet elite standards for your money. It all comes down to a rant over getting better items/events so you can be Mr. Cool. Sorry there partner but, if you look at the number one player across the servers on FFXIAH.com people are saying he's sweet cool and awesome.

This is what you should strive for not the pixel gear so you can look down on people who you call GIMPS.

[Ragmar]

Ragmar there are good and bad players. Let's try and explain something about good and bad players..

It takes several things to make a good player..

1. They have a good personality.
2. They work well as a team player.
3. They are skilled and willing to learn.
4. They have free time to invest in a game.
5. They have good gear because of the effort they put into the game.

These are what makes a good player. If one of them is a weak link like a chain it'll break at that link. You sir seem to think that you're an elite player (hears song in head) This contradicts everything you've been promoting because someone who's good isn't conceited like this. A good elite player doesn't need to say they're good. Why?, others will do it for them. If you run around calling people gimp or try to place yourself above others then the chain link breaks at #1. It then trickles down to #2 and then falls apart beyond #3 as anti-social behavior.

I can understand why you would pay for help because from the attitude in this topic it must be pretty hard getting good friends. They need to meet elite standards for your money. It all comes down to a rant over getting better items/events so you can be Mr. Cool. Sorry there partner but, if you look at the number one player across the servers on FFXIAH.com people are saying he's sweet cool and awesome.

This is what you should strive for not the pixel gear so you can look down on people who you call GIMPS.

LOL I left the most capable LS on my server which I co-created from two low man groups, that over the course of a year completed everything before turning into a giant epeen measuring contest. I left because I dont find that fun and to do low man content with 3 people I've been playing with for 7+ years of which only one even gear swaps. What makes someone a good player is not that they send you /t's in game with smiley faces. Some of the best players on Phoenix are total dicks. People kiss peoples asses when they think they might get something out of it. You may require that you like anyone you play with but I don't. Haters gonna hate. I've never met a nice person with bad gear and made any kind of negative remark about them. When they decide to act like asses however I'm absolutely going to call them out. Your #5 outright says if you dont have good gear you cant be a good player. Atleast I base my definition of gimp on ability/knowledge and not gear.

It takes very little to make a good player.
1. Knowing what you dont know.
2. Following directions of those who do know.
3. Using the best gear available to you to be as effective as possible.
4. Actively trying to improve both gear and ability to benefit those you play with.

[Sarick]

LOL I left the most capable LS on my server which I co-created from two low man groups, that over the course of a year completed everything before turning into a giant epeen measuring contest. I left because I dont find that fun and to do low man content with 3 people I've been playing with for 7+ years of which only one even gear swaps. What makes someone a good player is not that they send you /t's in game with smiley faces. Some of the best players on Phoenix are total dicks. People kiss peoples asses when they think they might get something out of it. You may require that you like anyone you play with but I don't. Haters gonna hate. I've never met a nice person with bad gear and made any kind of negative remark about them. When they decide to act like asses however I'm absolutely going to call them out. Your #5 outright says if you dont have good gear you cant be a good player. Atleast I base my definition of gimp on ability/knowledge and not gear.

It takes very little to make a good player.
1. Knowing what you dont know.
2. Following directions of those who do know.
3. Using the best gear available to you to be as effective as possible.
4. Actively trying to improve both gear and ability to benefit those you play with.

First off.

The list I wrote is in order of authority. This means that the first rule is equal to all the guidelines below it. In the case of #5 it would only count as -1 point where as the #1 guideline would count as a -5. The guidelines are linked like a chain. You start at the top and work your way down. You look at it this way there are some circumstances that are beyond the players control. They can still be a better player if they meet #1-#3 and still fail #4-#5..

You left out personality completely in your list and went straight for "this game is serious busyness." Do you get up every morning and load up FFXIAH to measure the FFXI market or something. This is a game, people play to have fun taskmaster sargent bill. You also stated some of the best players are dicks. There is a deep deep deep no no here. Anyone who is a jerk isn't a good MMO player. A jerk is a jerk even if they can do their job they do so at the expense of others. If your idea of a good player is someone who fails at guideline #1 then you sir have a very very jaded outlook on the use of the term good. You'd never hear someone say She's a good jerk, or that guy is an awesome cool dickhead.

This is the same when you rate a player on an MMO, they can have the best gear, be good at their job, have all the free time to master the game but... If they act like know it all jerks and ruin it for others they aren't a good players.

BTW: Your scale is missing the social aspect, this is an mmorpg meant to maintain a community.

[Arcon]

BTW: Your scale is missing the social aspect, this is an mmorpg meant to maintain a community.

What community? The entire server, or a group of close friends? Because it's the first, then yes, you're right on. If it's the latter, people can be dicks as much as they want, that's why elitist anti-social linkshells exist who put themselves over everyone else and have no issues ruining everyone else's fun. Your definition of "good" included "morally good" while Ragmar's was just "technically good". Unless you agree on which definition you want to follow, you're gonna be talking about different things and just keep missing each others' points.

Your assumption that he's elitist for wanting to buy items and that he lacks friends because of it is also completely off-base. I can very much relate to what he's doing, for pretty much the reasons he already mentioned. It sucks having to waste your friends' time asking for help when you can get it done another way. And money really is very easy to come by if you know how to farm it and are able to. Some people (including me) don't feel comfortable asking others for help and that's why we don't do it. It has nothing to do with being friend-less (which is a pretty childish accusation on your part). I may as well call you an anti-social basement dweller for buying a Wiglen Gorget off the AH when it's a common drop from an easy NM if you had the friends to go out and kill it.

I'm not sure why you feel the need to talk about the OP anyway. This thread is full of assumptions about him and his personality. Who cares? Why do you feel the need to bash him in order to disagree with his idea? Just say no and be done with it. I feel he presented good arguments (before the flame war started). You can counter them if you like (FrankReynolds did a good job already, if you're late to the party check out his posts), but don't bring stuff like "we can't take you seriously because you buy things".

[Luvbunny]

It takes several things to make a good player..

1. They have a good personality.
2. They work well as a team player.
3. They are skilled and willing to learn.
4. They have free time to invest in a game.
5. They have good gear because of the effort they put into the game.

Thanks for putting it into perspective in the order that is most important, totally agree with this!! GEARS should be the least important thing in the game, granted you dont show up at 99 wearing level 1 gears, but decent comparable gears are good enough since not everyone thing "gearing" is everything. Good personality, team player and willingness to learn are way more valuable than "elite players with their uber gears with nasty attitude".

Good thing SE is smart enough to introduce brew and displacer to level the playing fields on Abyssea and Voidwatch - so that even average joes and janes can have a chance at experiencing most of the popular activities in the game without feeling inadequate. As for the rest of accomplishment freaks, they can have their fun at Neo Crapfest and Legion, until SE decide to open the "elite" gate to the masses

[Ragmar]

Thanks for putting it into perspective in the order that is most important, totally agree with this!! GEARS should be the least important thing in the game, granted you dont show up at 99 wearing level 1 gears, but decent comparable gears are good enough since not everyone thing "gearing" is everything. Good personality, team player and willingness to learn are way more valuable than "elite players with their uber gears with nasty attitude".

Good thing SE is smart enough to introduce brew and displacer to level the playing fields on Abyssea and Voidwatch - so that even average joes and janes can have a chance at experiencing most of the popular activities in the game without feeling inadequate. As for the rest of accomplishment freaks, they can have their fun at Neo Crapfest and Legion, until SE decide to open the "elite" gate to the masses

Average players can without those items only terribad players require them tbh. No wonder you've taken all this so personally.

[Ragmar]

Thanks for putting it into perspective in the order that is most important, totally agree with this!! GEARS should be the least important thing in the game, granted you dont show up at 99 wearing level 1 gears, but decent comparable gears are good enough since not everyone thing "gearing" is everything. Good personality, team player and willingness to learn are way more valuable than "elite players with their uber gears with nasty attitude".

Good thing SE is smart enough to introduce brew and displacer to level the playing fields on Abyssea and Voidwatch - so that even average joes and janes can have a chance at experiencing most of the popular activities in the game without feeling inadequate. As for the rest of accomplishment freaks, they can have their fun at Neo Crapfest and Legion, until SE decide to open the "elite" gate to the masses

It's a shame you take FFXI so seriously that you feel inadequate that others can obtain gear and clear content you cannot. You should take a step back and enjoy the milestones you and your friends set out meet rather than expecting the game to be dumbed down. You really shouldnt be so envious of what others have or have done.

[Sarick]

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It's a shame I take FFXI so seriously that I feel inadequate enough that I want to obtain gear and clear content others cannot. I should take a step back and enjoy the game rather than expecting it to be hardcore for everyone.

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