Quote Originally Posted by Ragmar View Post
And again you are missing the point. There is no challenge in abyssea without cruor buffs ... You would get one shotted left and right with all possible job buffs because the mobs damage output is designed around a WAR having 3000 HP not 1600. Somehow I fear myself and others could repeat this same point a thousand times and you would still fail to understand it. This might be a viable option if you recieved the HP from cruor buffs without getting the +50 to stats that also come with cruor buffs but you can't it's not an option. I guess you could argue using PD in abyssea to avoid getting one shotted but thats part of what I'd love to see SE go away from. I don't want to have to PD/Embrava/Zerg everything in game. I want challenges that require teamwork and players who know their jobs role in a party/alliance/setting. I want to fail if someone makes critical mistakes or atleast for it to be very hard to recover. Even at 75 with HNMs if a holding party messed up they would lose claim. I saw many a 10-12 man Faf go very badly from casting on darters. I'm not saying take anything away from easy mode players Id just like to see slightly better rewards for players who challenge themselves by not using Embrava/PD/Zerg/Temp items/non job buffs.
Oh, really? It can't be done eh? I take it you haven't seen the vids of a melee RDM soloing Azdaja without any cruor buffs or atmas used. Try again.

Also, you need to realize it is the playerbase, not SE, that chooses to use the "easy button", the whole "optimal" set-up or don't bother. It is a fact that the players can beat Abyssea NM's without cruor buffs and atmas. It is a fact that the playerbase can achieve floor 100 clears in Neo-Nyzul without 4x pimped DD's and 2x SCH's for Embrava. It is a fact that the playerbase can beat VW NM's without atmacites/cruor buffs. It is also a fact that the playerbase CHOOSES to use these things, not for a challenge, but to increase the odds of winning. Or, ya know, we hit the "easy button" in order to quickly obtain the gear we desire.

You want a challenge? Stop hitting the easy button that's built in to damn near every event this game has. Stop using optimal set-ups for everything and you'll have the challenge you're after. It may take you longer to get 5/5 Nyzul gear, but you can in fact do it. Don't bitch to me about a lack of difficulty when it is the playerbase that are the ones using the button in the first place.

In regards to the rewards, what Trisscar said.