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[Karbuncle]

I was under the impression Fenrir was shown to be a Dark Knight, Which accounts for his generally higher damage, due to Attack Bonus being of his traits.

This is old information though, I know the Avatars are all BLM, Except Carby, who is WHM (Auto-Regen, etc)....

[Mathieu]

The avatars, while undeniably having very hefty individualized elemental resistances, all have identical physical stats (Str, Dex, etc) This means that Ifrit does not have higher Str than the others, that Shiva does not hav higher Int than the others, and so on. Carbuncle does less damage than the others because of the way his damage is calculated (which is covered in the first link I provided).

None of the tests show this. All it shows is that Fenrir and Garuda do approximately similar damage and Carbuncle does less than either. Fenrir and Garuda also have roughly equivalent Strength. That is the only attribute that was tested. You are making a huge jump right there. In addition, the testing methodology used completely eliminates secondary attributes, which have a substantial impact on fighting level appropriate enemies.

Having the same damage ceiling does not mean they are functionally identical outside elemental resistances. The person doing the testing even mentions that Fenrir might have a built in attack bonus, since it was the only way to explain why Fenrir was demonstrating higher damage consistently in another test that wasn't just checking the damage ceiling.

They might end up being functionally identical when fighting enemies far below your level because secondary attributes don't come into play anymore, but that's not the same issue. All this test demonstrates is that Garuda and Fenrir use the same damage formula and have approximately similar Strength values. You could say the same thing about Paladin and Dark Knight.

[Infidi]

I swear Garuda has more evasion the others too. Mobs seems to miss her a lot more. Maybe I'm just crazy :P. I'll just say she's aTHF job for the hell of it . Give her TH so SMN can farm dyna as good as bsts lol.

[Arcon]

Well, Garuda definitely has +40 MAB at 99, and same as BLM at other levels as well, so that's a good hint. I'm not sure if that applies to Diabolos too, but Fenrir also possesses that much. I can test it tomorrow after I sober up. Maybe their subjobs differ? Garuda BLM/THF or something? That would be harder to test, though, unless they show some characteristic stats/traits of said subjobs.

[Vat]

Thank you for the input.. ty for the links I am going to give them a good look through. I didnt know this sort of testing had been done before.

I hadnt really put it all into the context of jobs before now.. but it does make a lot of sense. But, if they do have subjobs.. that will be a nightmare to test and find out.

Tho I will admit one thing now. It does seam odd that our pet, that is normally a meat shield for the smn, is a BLM, cause they are normally squishy.

[Mokeil]

None of the tests show this. All it shows is that Fenrir and Garuda do approximately similar damage and Carbuncle does less than either. Fenrir and Garuda also have roughly equivalent Strength. That is the only attribute that was tested. You are making a huge jump right there. In addition, the testing methodology used completely eliminates secondary attributes, which have a substantial impact on fighting level appropriate enemies.

Well, you've got me there. I've been trying to remember where I saw this and can't for the life of me recall. I almost wanted to say that I saw that here, of all places, with a reply from SE stating that they made them all even stat wise so that we would choose them for the appropriate situation based on their element, and not just use Ifrit all day because he had higher Str. A quick perusal of the 11 pages here didn't turn up anything promising, though.

I'll see if I can dig up some testing to back up my claims during my down time at work this week. If I can't I'll add a disclaimer to that post.

[Daniel_Hatcher]

I swear Garuda has more evasion the others too. Mobs seems to miss her a lot more. Maybe I'm just crazy :P. I'll just say she's aTHF job for the hell of it . Give her TH so SMN can farm dyna as good as bsts lol.

She's Wind, most wind based monsters have high-evasion, wouldn't be surprised if Garuda did too.

[Teraniku]

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Garuda

One thing that was left out of Whispering Wind Description, it also heals Garuda as well, not just Party members.

[Infidi]

One thing that was left out of Whispering Wind Description, it also heals Garuda as well, not just Party members.

Maybe it's based off the in game text ? IDR exactly though that's what the desc of it was though.