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  1. #61
    Player Liir's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Caketime View Post
    Sub SCH, use Addendum: Black and gear yourself halfway right and your bind won't miss.
    The only native enfeebling spells SCH has are Sleep, Sleep II, and Dispel. And only Sleep and Dispel are available from SCH as a support job.
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  2. #62
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    If you feel I've insulted you and have done nothing but belittle you, then that's your problem.

    Also, I'm terribly sorry for being inaccurate about Bind, I am such a bad kitty. I should have suggested subbing BitterMage rather than Scholar.
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    Last edited by Caketime; 09-10-2012 at 10:00 PM.

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    Well really /BLM isn't to great as SMN being that your Enfeebling Magic skill would be low, /SCH has the advantage of giving you high level skills. Either way the point was that your idea on what to do was actually inaccurate, and unable to be used or worthwhile as a SMN. I wont say SMN is worthless in PvP though, thats still not entirely true.

    I don't PvP much myself but I have done it a few times for fun. I would think a SMN/RDM with some Enhancing gear, casting Phalanx at the start, then using a good amount of PDT gear would make themselves fairly well defended. After that the SMN would still have their Avatar to fight, and so long as Phalanx isn't Dispelled, it should be a good defense for the SMN. Since I have never played a Pet job in PvP I'm not sure how it works in relation to other jobs, but it may even be possible to change back to enhancing magic so you can recast Phalanx as needed, so long as the Avatar is not effected by the penalty.

    There are truly a number of ways to fight an enemy in PvP, and I have no doubt that a SMN, or any other job, can be a powerful opponent given the right plan of attack, gear, and skill.
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  4. #64
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Well really /BLM isn't to great as SMN being that your Enfeebling Magic skill would be low, /SCH has the advantage of giving you high level skills. Either way the point was that your idea on what to do was actually inaccurate, and unable to be used or worthwhile as a SMN. I wont say SMN is worthless in PvP though, thats still not entirely true.
    I was inaccurate on the use of a single spell, which is easily replaced by one of several other spells that achieve the same effect of rooting an opponent in place, which is standard mage pvp strategy in any game. Like I said, I'm a bad kitty, but that doesn't make my entire post inaccurate. I then suggested BitterMage (Red hats yo), as it's probably a better sub anyway. Phalanx, Gravity, Bind etc. is more than enough to shut down any melee and allow the Summoner to get to work with BPs.

    You could also try screwing around with the stratagem that widens the effect of single target black magic to hit multiple foes, those are always fun to use on unsuspecting groups of tightly clustered mouth breathers.
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    Not to mention it removed the potential problem of Blink or Shadows, as it becomes AoE and wipes them. Also never heard RDM refered to as something as stupid as "Bittermage" so I figured you meant BLM. In either case, /Anything will still have a much lower chance to stick due to the problems you would have with lacking skill level, which I would think would make a difference.
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    By the way, kingfury, you should start making comics out of your illustrations, I know I'd read it. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by airsparrowhawk View Post
    By the way, kingfury, you should start making comics out of your illustrations, I know I'd read it. ^^
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    Sounds cool I'll see if I can add something like that on the gallery site /
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  8. #68
    Player Caketime's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demon6324236 View Post
    Not to mention it removed the potential problem of Blink or Shadows, as it becomes AoE and wipes them. Also never heard RDM refered to as something as stupid as "Bittermage" so I figured you meant BLM. In either case, /Anything will still have a much lower chance to stick due to the problems you would have with lacking skill level, which I would think would make a difference.
    You would think it would make a difference, but all the times I've tried it there's been no problem. I could be wrong, but in my experience with it I've only ever seen enfeebles get blocked by shadows, never resisted. I have no idea if I and my opponents were just getting lucky though.
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    Well I know its possible to resist, I have fought someone with alot of resist gear on and my Sleep/Break never landed while I was on RDM with capped skills, so its possible to resist. Not sure how much skill would effect it in PvP without resist gear though, sounds like skill wouldn't make to big of an impact so /RDM may work, but not sure.
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    Dearest KingFury,

    Please would you make me a sig.
    My request is on page 1
    Please make my posts look more awesome in future

    Thanks.

    Dhylan
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