[dev1135] New Thief 2 hour ability

[FrankReynolds]

Maybe he just missed it, but I said this in the 2 hour thread when people were debating how it worked:

That would kick ass, but I'm 99% sure it's just going to be a more powerful trick attack, that will transfer all your enmity (not just the enmity from that hit).

I then asked for clarification and Camate said:

Finally, in regards to a question about thief’s ability:

Can we get some clarification on the THF ability while your at it? Is it a duration effect? or a one shot move?

The major damage dealt will be a single attack. You can kind of think of it as the way Sneak Attack is used.

I probably should have directly asked if it actually meant all enmity, but I didn't actually think they would respond. I'm just assuming that since he didn't correct me, that that part was correct. You could be correct, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.

Either way, it won't be a good 2-hour unless they add more to it or change it completely. Thief used to be able to plant hate on the tank without using a 2-hour ability. It would be pretty lame if our new 2-hour gave us the ability to do what we used to do with just SATA.

[Falseliberty]

Know what I think? I think the 2hr sounds like total bust and even the devs know it, hence nada on the test server.
One thing I'd like to add is while most other jobs got a DD based 2hr (mighty strikes, hundred fists etc) they mostly got defensive ones this time around.
From the get go thf got a defensive one and the devs are struggling hard to come up with a decent DD orientated 2hr that's original and meaningful.
Look how bad we had to yell about bully in its original form, I'm predicting an other uphill battle

[Oakrest]

I'm also having a major issue with the whole enmity thing. The optimist in me believes that they have major plans to rework the enmity system at some point, but I would rather they give us some other form of ability now and save the enmity stuff for when it's actually useful again / if ever.

Me too - it's getting a bit frustrating that it isn't even being discussed. I'm going to create a new thread.

[Babekeke]

It was discussed. SE are changing the way that enmity works, particularly for PLD. I'll try and find the thread if I can remember what thread it was in.

[Falseliberty]

bumpity bump... come on SE not even a hint?
It's been a few months and all the other jobs have got to play with the new JAs on the test server now, can we please hear at least whats planned?

[Nebo]

SHHHHH! Asking them directly for things just makes them take even LONGER (is this possible) to do things.

You just have to go about your life and not wait for it. One of these years it will happen...or the servers will shut down....or the world might end.

Is there an award for absolute slowest company to do absolutely everything? I swear SE would have no competitors. They can't even communicate with their customers at an acceptable rate on these forums.... let alone actually produce anything worthwhile within a timeframe that doesnt kill off half their playerbase.

I BET it has someting to do with the fact that all those slackers play FFXI all day and never get any real work done!

Although we did get a "DHuurrrr Hurrrr Melee in TH gear because TH Gear is HARD WORK. SPRINKLES AND RAINBOW MAGIC PIXE DUST....YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" this week.

Let us just say....they are not thinking about THF in a way that you...or I...or anyone with an IQ north of a retared cranberry would like them to be thinking about THF.

They are not going to start either. This is imporant. We have begged, yelled, asked nicely, emailed various otherworldly entities, asked god, prayed to the other guy and EVEN asked Bill.

No Dice. SE is Thick and they like it that way. They prefer to make updates witohut ACTUALLY knowing what they are doing or why they are doing it. It makes it seem more "fun" to them.

This inevitably means: Your new 2 hour is going to suck.....badly. As are any and all further adjustments to the THF job going forward. In all reality, they will probably make the job worse somehow and less fun to play. Someting like that silly "we want to increase steal rate with TH level garbage they were spouting a while back"

Yeah. That is the kind of ridiculous, nonesensical, irrelevant crap we are in store for. Nothing useful. Nothing to deal with anything that is ACTUALLY relevant to the job. Just more useless garbage.

Nothing to see here. Give up on THF. It is not going to change....(Its probably only going to get worse form here)

[Demon6324236]

I BET it has someting to do with the fact that all those slackers play FFXI all day and never get any real work done!

With SEs lack of understanding how most things work, I have to assume they cant possibly play this game.

[Lokithor]

In the deafening silence from SE, let's try to determine what they have in store for us!

SE has shown that they do not consider Thf to be a damage dealer. In fact, they have been doing things specifically to minimize the DD capability of the job (such as a TH system that requires full time equip of extremely poor melee gear). They also consider Thf to be the master of hate manipulation, despite the fact that enmity is so broken, there is nothing to actually manipulate. Let's not forget our ability to steal useless items from low level XP class mobs! SE will focus their attention on enhancing those vital abilities!

I'm guessing a new ability that sacrifices all TP to directly increase TH level by 1 step. For balance, this will inflict a heavy Max TP down and Amnesia affect (duration 5 mins).

While under this affect, Thf will enjoy a Steal +1 bonus. When SE realizes that the Amnesia will effectively remove the Steal +1 bonus, SE will consider this and 6 months later declare that the limit is by design so as to not affect balance and to limit RMT from using the ability to increase their success in farming Bronze beast coins.

SE will not actually implement any enmity manipulation for this job ability as that will be moot considering that the ultimate goal is to dissuade anyone from including a Thf in their parties.

[Babekeke]

So what are SE thinking? I think they're trying to decide between these:

Perfect Hide: Hides from all manner of detection including true.

Perfecter Dodge: Dodges /ra too. (like the original one should have)

Sneakier Attack: SA but from any direction. 60s duration or 1 melee round, whichever comes first.

Trickier Attack: Transfers all accumulated enmity to person between THF and target.

Respoil: Despoil that works on NMs

Fleeeeeee: 60s Flee.

Tripplier Attack: 100% Triple Attack rate.

Super Mug: Mugs 10x regular mug amount and can be used on any NMs/Beastmen, even those that were for some reason forgotten about when abyssea was released.

Gil Forcer: 10 x Gilfinder potency. Forces gil to drop from all mobs for a 5 min duration.

Raider: Raider's Set +2 Bonus effect with 100% proc rate. Irrelevant of whether any Raider's +2 gear is worn. Still requires triple attack to proc to get any benefit.


OK, so I'm being sarcastic with most of those, but it really wouldn't surprise me. I imagine they'll give up and just give us 100% Triple Attack rate, like they gave WAR DA. Why waste time on a job that they only want people to stand there hitting the mob in 3 pieces of gear anyway?

[SpankWustler]

I think the Development Bros have hit the bottom of the well for normal bad ideas with the new Red Mage SP, and thus they'll have to go meta for the incoming Thief SP. Thus, I think the new ability will be:

Roguish Shame: Another button to accidentally hit that will display how many years and days and hours you have spent playing FFXI. Unlike the normal function, this one somehow accounts for time spent AFK. Those are less hours spent AFK than you thought, huh?