Damn that's some sound reasoning, but I have to honestly say it doesn't assuage my curiosity. It could be argued that we don't get any buffs from offhand weapons or grips but those things are hardly empyrean weapons I suppose. I look at our set bonus from AF3 and we aren't even able to proc our aftermath effect while kicking then a warrior crits for 1400 and I died a little on the inside. Well that's about as much I'm going to be able to type for now... Cream_Soda's signature is about as distracting as mine is. Thanks for adding to the discussion to all who gave some input.