The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

[Fupafighter]

And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed. If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

[Camiie]

Mocking Cammie,

Camiie. At least I'm worth mocking. I wouldn't even bother with mocking you.

who in another thread was complaining plates were not readily available either.

Compared to the number required, no they aren't.

Seriously if ya all can manage to get the devs to change flame geodes in the next 6 months while it's relevant, bravo, otherwise good luck. I'm just expressing their view that it is not necessary to change this, and there are more important things on their agenda.

That's what the community team is for. What you, and they, constantly fail to explain is why. What's your real angle on flame geodes? At least be honest and tell us how it hurts anything for there to be more fire weather.

Like you know that paladin and red mage thing that no one ever gets to use anymore, and how enmity is completely boned.

Fixing fire weather/flame geodes should not be so taxing that it stops them from fixing broken jobs.

They really don't care about people having to pay a few mile for a magian weapon with the economy in this game.

Then I guess we'll just keep complaining until they do. Whether you like that or not is irrelevant. You might as well get used to it.

And also I have given my suggestions in other threads on things I would like to see changed, or I have supported other peoples ideas on what should be changed.

And I'm not pissing in YOUR Cheerios, but here you are standing over mine with your fly open for no apparent reason.

If these are the issues you face in FFXI, man I'm concerned for people that have to play with you.

They don't have a problem with me. I kind of wonder what yours think of you when they see you trolling the forums. Maybe they enjoy it as much as you. Maybe they think you're a jerk. I can't really say.

[Aarahs]

If it's so taxing to make a fire trial weapon why don't you make a different type? Others have mentioned how you can farm the geodes if you're so set on finishing one. Even if you're only able to get 1 each firesday you farm, that's only 55 hours of work and it's scattered over a period of time. If you farm a mob that also drops gil or another sellable item, you're increasing your efficiency and expanding your options. It really should not be difficult to finish the trial if you put some effort into it.

If you're complaining about doing the geode trial multiple times, you'll get no sympathy from me.

The rep has already pretty much told you the fire weather won't be changed. The design of the expansion's zones are most likely complete by this point, so asking for extra fire weather is pointless (that's not to say they didn't already build some of those zones in already).

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased... Yeah, the only reason I can think of someone seriously asking that question would be if they joined after abyssea or if they somehow never looked at the market.

[Kysaiana]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

[Camiie]

The person who asked why it would affect people negatively if the drop rate was increased..

They should increase fire weather to a level in line with the other elements, and leave the drop rate as is. The market is a concern, but it should be secondary to people trying to complete content.

It's not like crafters won't still be able to charge an arm and a leg for gems and rings. Heck the demand for flame geodes could actually increase as more people find fire weapons more reasonable to obtain. Right now you have a lot of people staying out of the market entirely because it just isn't worth it compared to the alternatives.

[Luvbunny]

So basically we are getting a flat out NO! answer from developer. Pretty much ignoring the fact that it is a big problem. Really.... I mean, I understand it is summer and everything, but seriously they should hire more people to work there. FFXI is one of the last few remaining subscription based MMORPG out there... and the most profitable for SE, they should be able to hire an entire team for this.

[Theytak]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH.

No, he's pretty much just flat out trolling the thread. I won't deny that there are always a fair amount of flame geodes up on siren, but we also have some pretty weird players.

[Mathieu]

I get about the same number of fire geodes on Firesday as I get any other type on the respective day with no weather, so 1-2 in the whole day, occasionally I get none in the whole day, regardless of the type. The lack of fire weather, not the drop rate is the problem. As far as I've seen, they work exactly like every other geode under the same conditions.

However, rarity isn't the issue. Take a look at the AH history. Flame Geodes are consistently one of the most common type on the AH and they are still the most expensive by a long shot. Yes, they are harder to get, but people farm them because they are so expensive.

The issue is with demand. Fire weapons are too consistently useful to too many jobs, while most of the other elements are only useful to a few jobs, and, even then, might only be useful for very specific situations that everyone that plays that job might not encounter. The only way to fix the prices is to make the other elemental weapons more appealing. If more jobs had viable options other than fire, the price would go down on flame geodes because not every other person would go for them.

Even if they increased the amount of fire weather, I really doubt the price would come down. The current supply is mostly coming from people that specifically farm them. Unless fire weather was absolutely everywhere, the price isn't going to drop much. If the price isn't high enough to motivate people to specifically try to get them to sell, then they are going to become rare, which will keep the price up. The stable price point might go a little lower, but I doubt by that much.

[Demon6324236]

I disagree. If people had a more reliable way to farm them prices would fall and less people would resort to buying them, they would still be the most expensive, but they would not be 5 times higher than the next most expensive geode on the market! Thats how I believe it should be, if you want to farm you have the option, reasonably, however if you want to throw gil at people there should be a good amount to buy at the same time. To me, this fixes all the problems there are with it currently.

[Fupafighter]

I don't think Fupa realizes other servers aren't like Siren where there is a constant supply of fire geodes on the AH. Where they're coming from? I donno, probably people getting them in exp pts and selling them to goldsmiths rather than bother with a fire path weapon. I've been farming flame geodes whenever firesday lines up with my play time, and even with TH7-8 killing over 100 mobs, I'll sometimes get 0. That's less than 1% drop rate on day. It's just the random number generator, and if you get 1 geode or 3 or none at all it's just dumb luck. You can not say you'll get 6 geodes on a day ever. Not solo anyway.

Let's put it this way, if Strength was based on the water element instead of fire, no one would be complaining about the lack of fire weather. Aqua geodes are a dime a dozen. They can be farmed actively in the Alzadaal undersea ruins at any time, and rainy weather is extremely common. So common, in fact, that it is the bane of anyone's existence that tries to get an Ark Pentasphere. If Strength was based on water instead of fire, aqua geodes would be expensive, but at least people could farm them if they so chose. Please note I'm not asking for strength to be based on water, I'm just using it as an example of how fire weather should be and how unbalanced it is. I highly doubt when SE first designed the zoned they envisioned good melee weapons being based on the frequency of fire weather.

Lol. Ok. Have they proven TH helps with timed drops like beastman seals or crests and such? Was under the influence TH didn't help geodes. Thf kills slow. That's why you're having issues. Go on an actual DD and try again.